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re: Orange Man delivers message to J6ers.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:44 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:44 pm to Bass Tiger
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What will he be indicted for?
For the 2024 presidential election.
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:49 pm to Bass Tiger
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What will he be indicted for?
He was hidin dem nucular codes in his closet dude. Didnt you watch msdnc?
Tarzana can fill in all the deets.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:11 pm to Bunk Moreland
Something needs to be done. These people are getting treated worse than foreign enemies in gitmo. The story of the guy that got arrested with stage 1 cancer and they denied him treatment and eventually got to stage 3, is freaking evil.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:39 pm to Bunk Moreland
The man loves gold. Gold curtains, gold picture frames, probably has a gold toilet. Just not my style.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:48 am to David_DJS
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He should have pardoned everybody at the demonstration/riot on J6 on his way out the door.
We have been through this. He can not pardon anything when there is nothing to pardon.
and no, a blanket pardon would not have worked for the reason stated above.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:03 am to Jjdoc
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We have been through this. He can not pardon anything when there is nothing to pardon.
You suffer from delusions of mattering to anybody. You think you’ve ruled on this or that, but nobody gives a frick because you’ve proven accurate precisely 13.8736667% of the time. That’s science.
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It is conventional wisdom today that the President’s power to pardon is essentially unlimited, subject only to the two constraints mentioned in the Constitution’s text (i.e. no pardons for state crimes or in impeachment proceedings).
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:10 am to David_DJS
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He should have pardoned everybody at the demonstration/riot on J6 on his way out the door.
don’t worry, he’ll tick tock his way to not doing anything
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:22 am to Flats
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He should have pardoned everybody at the demonstration/riot on J6 on his way out the door.
Trump talks about fighting more than he actually fights. He fights more than most, no question, but not as much as he talks.
How can you pardon everyone when most people weren't even charged till months after. They used Feds all over the country to arrest protesters, nobody knew who was there.
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don’t worry, he’ll tick tock his way to not doing anything
If he issued a blank pardon to everyone on Jan 6th protest which was 6000 people, then they'd definitely have a case for insurrection.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:31 am to I707U
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How can you pardon everyone when most people weren't even charged till months after.
You be a president so you can do just that.
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Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by president of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.
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If news reports are to be believed, President Trump is considering issuing blanket pardons (“for any and all offenses”) to many of his family-members and associates.
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f he issued a blank pardon to everyone on Jan 6th protest which was 6000 people, then they'd definitely have a case for insurrection.
Why? If he pardoned everyone that did nothing violent, why would they have cause for insurrection?
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 1:33 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:45 am to LSUAngelHere1
They just charged the oath keepers
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:58 am to Bunk Moreland
Reading the confusion about pardons, I'd like to recommend that everyone learn about the Congressional Research Service. It is one of the stellar parts of our government, and clearly the best part of Congress.
They publish really good stuff that will teach you about specific legislative issues, some history, basic education in government like how the budget process goes, to understanding pardons like this document from January 2020: "Presidential Pardons: Overview and Selected Legal Issues." pdf is here.
Note the date - this was likely generated as a result of a request by a member of Congress, to get an idea on what Trump could do as he was walking out the door. The document even discusses self-pardons, which Dems speculated about.
You can find CRS here.
But, to give you an idea how awful Congress is, overall - for many years Congress did not make CRS reports available to the public. They had to be uploaded to the net by 3rd parties.
Congress is the most loathsome group in our nation, but the CRS is a real gem.
For anyone interested, here is an excerpt of Ford's pardon of Nixon:
"As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."
They publish really good stuff that will teach you about specific legislative issues, some history, basic education in government like how the budget process goes, to understanding pardons like this document from January 2020: "Presidential Pardons: Overview and Selected Legal Issues." pdf is here.
Note the date - this was likely generated as a result of a request by a member of Congress, to get an idea on what Trump could do as he was walking out the door. The document even discusses self-pardons, which Dems speculated about.
You can find CRS here.
But, to give you an idea how awful Congress is, overall - for many years Congress did not make CRS reports available to the public. They had to be uploaded to the net by 3rd parties.
Congress is the most loathsome group in our nation, but the CRS is a real gem.
For anyone interested, here is an excerpt of Ford's pardon of Nixon:
"As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.
It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:38 am to tarzana
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Trump can't stop nothing at this point in time
There is something pitiful in this statement.
Can you tell us what it is tardzana?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:51 am to boosiebadazz
quote:again? Lol at you
He most likely would be been impeached
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:53 am to David_DJS
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I could be wrong, but I don't think there needs to be charges. I think a president can give a blanket pardon. Maybe a PT lawyer can weigh in.
Not a lawyer but i think you are correct. I believe Confederate soldiers were issued a blanket pardon after the end of the Civil War without having been individually charged for treason
December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 7:00 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:39 am to Bunk Moreland
Love the pic of Little Rocket Man hanging on the wall 
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:46 am to I707U
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How can you pardon everyone when most people weren't even charged till months after. They used Feds all over the country to arrest protesters, nobody knew who was there.
David isnt the brightest poster and the TDS is getting more severe
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