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re: Pentagon says unable to share documents with House impeachment request
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:49 am to Jbird
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:49 am to Jbird
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House of Representatives did not have a resolution authorizing an impeachment investigation,
Of course not. Democrats don't want to make it official....republicans would get subpoena power.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:09 pm to bmy
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My point is that they aren't bound by a rule or law that requires a formal vote to initiate an impeachment investigation/inquiry.
If the Trump admin refuses to comply they will likely use that as an article of impeachment/look to the courts for an order.
Dems are probably excited by the free assistance in dragging it out
This is the most retarded circular logic I've seen from you, and that's saying something.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:22 pm to Jbird
Doesn't the Pentagon know that the House Democrats have a "little jail" and they will use it?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:38 pm to bmy
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If the Trump admin refuses to comply they will likely use that as an article of impeachment/look to the courts for an order.
Soooo....like a level 4 perjury trap-ish kinda thing?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:49 pm to bmy
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If the Trump admin refuses to comply they will likely use that as an article of impeachment/look to the courts for an order
So... let me get this straight.
They are going to ask the Trump administration to do something they have no legal authority to ask them to do... then, when the Trump administration refuses because, well, it's not legal... they are going to use THAT refusal as grounds for impeachment?
"Your honor. I asked the defendant to speed down the road so that I could give him a ticket for speeding. This would result in a fine, which would be beneficial to the town. He refused. I ask that he now be jailed for obstructing official business for refusing to do what I asked him to do."
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:50 pm to Jbird
Dey gone put da pentagon in JAAAAILLLLL Pawl
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:56 pm to bmy
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it has the added benefit of pushing Trump into appearing obstructive.
Well we know that's what you have wanted everyone to believe for what Nancy? Three years now?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:08 pm to bmy
If the Trump admin refuses to comply they will likely use that as an article of impeachment/look to the courts for an order.
Only after the Full house votes to judicially enforce the subpoena.
House Rule XI clause 2
Only after the Full house votes to judicially enforce the subpoena.
quote:
(C) Compliance with a subpoena issued by a committee or sub-committee under subparagraph (1)(B) may be enforced only as authorized or directed by the House.
House Rule XI clause 2
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:09 pm to cajunandy
quote:Nancy Clatterteeth already said no enforcement.
quote:
(C) Compliance with a subpoena issued by a committee or sub-committee under subparagraph (1)(B) may be enforced only as authorized or directed by the House.
House Rule XI clause 2
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:11 pm to bmy
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The House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment” and the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”
That's all she says
Notice it does not say "Speaker of the House" nor "House subcommittee" - it says "The House". "The House" must vote on something for it to have binding power, period - debate and dissent is not a substitute for actual legislation.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:18 pm to SSpaniel
quote:
So... let me get this straight.
They are going to ask the Trump administration to do something they have no legal authority to ask them to do... then, when the Trump administration refuses because, well, it's not legal... they are going to use THAT refusal as grounds for impeachment?
"Your honor. I asked the defendant to speed down the road so that I could give him a ticket for speeding. This would result in a fine, which would be beneficial to the town. He refused. I ask that he now be jailed for obstructing official business for refusing to do what I asked him to do."
Do you remember when they threatened to hold Barr in contempt for not providing classified info?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:39 pm to bmy
quote:
My point is that they aren't bound by a rule or law that requires a formal vote to initiate an impeachment investigation/inquiry.
If the Trump admin refuses to comply they will likely use that as an article of impeachment/look to the courts for an order.
Dems are probably excited by the free assistance in dragging it out
Good Lord. You do not know anything do you?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:57 pm to cajunandy
So...... if the house rules differentiate between the entire “House” and it’s committees, does this same apply to interpreting the Constitution?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:17 pm to SWCBonfire
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Notice it does not say "Speaker of the House" nor "House subcommittee" - it says "The House". "The House" must vote on something for it to have binding power, period
That^
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:23 pm to upgrayedd
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This is the most retarded circular logic I've seen from you, and that's saying something.
Except it's not circular
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:26 pm to bmy
It's like randomly arresting someone so you can get them for resisting arrest.
Not shocked you can't piece that together.
Not shocked you can't piece that together.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:08 pm to upgrayedd
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It's like randomly arresting someone so you can get them for resisting arrest.
Not shocked you can't piece that together.
No.. it's like investigating someone who then endeavors to impede your investigation.. so you throw obstruction charges on top to get them to comply
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:09 pm to bmy
Something has impeded your medulla oblongata.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:38 pm to cajunandy
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(C) Compliance with a subpoena issued by a committee or sub-committee under subparagraph (1)(B) may be enforced only as authorized or directed by the House.
House Rule XI clause 2
Full house voting to enforce a subpoena doesn't come with the same stigma so it seems likely..
Power to sit and act; subpoena power (m)(1) For the purpose of carrying out any of its functions and duties under this rule and rule X (including any matters referred to it under clause 2 of rule XII), a committee or subcommittee is authorized (subject to subparagraph (3)(A))— (A) to sit and act at such times and places within the United States, whether the House is in session, has recessed, or has adjourned, and to hold such hearings as it considers necessary; and (B) to require, by subpoena or otherwise, the attendance and testimony of such witnesses and the production of such books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents as it considers necessary. (2) The chair of the committee, or a member designated by the chair, may administer oaths to witnesses. (3)(A)(i) Except as provided in subdivision (A)(ii), a subpoena may be authorized and issued by a committee or subcommittee under subparagraph (1)(B) in the conduct of an investigation or series of investigations or activities only when authorized by the committee or subcommittee, a majority being present. The power to authorize and issue subpoenas under subparagraph (1)(B) may be delegated to the chair of the committee under such rules and under such limitations as the committee may prescribe. Authorized subpoenas shall be signed by the chair of the committee or by a member designated by the committee. (ii) In the case of a subcommittee of the Committee on Ethics, a subpoena may be authorized and issued only by an affirmative vote of a majority of its members. (B) A subpoena duces tecum may specify terms of return other than at a meeting or hearing of the committee or subcommittee authorizing the subpoena. (C) Compliance with a subpoena issued by a committee or subcommittee under subparagraph (1)(B) may be enforced only as authorized or directed by the House.
U.S. Code §?192.Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers
Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before either House, or any joint committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of the two Houses of Congress, or any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any question pertinent to the question under inquiry, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:49 pm to Jbird
Anyone in gov't who complies with their invalid request should be fired.
They have no authority to subpoena anyone until they vote on a resolution to impeach. This has not happened. All people defying Trumps order are insubordinate and should be removed from their positions immediately.
They have no authority to subpoena anyone until they vote on a resolution to impeach. This has not happened. All people defying Trumps order are insubordinate and should be removed from their positions immediately.
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