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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:45 am to Gaspergou202
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:45 am to Gaspergou202
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Dude you’re overstating his “depravity”.
Come on man, Don't buy into the cult.
You cannot support Trump and diss this lady on moral grounds.
Trumpites are closer to progressives than conservatives, when it comes to "morality" and hypocrisy.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:45 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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Have you taken a look around you? We aren’t exactly living in a Puritan utopia and that goes for both sides of the aisle.
"No sense in being against this bad thing because of all the other bad things"
- Is that the argument?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:45 am to the808bass
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What hill is this and who died on it? One person got asked to leave one event. This isn’t the end of the aeon.
Dang you have been dead on target in this thread!
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because, for some reason I still haven't figured out yet, he's the one conservative politician they didn't make pander to them in a fully committed way.
I think the country has just become divided moreso on government control vs individual control recently. Probably because the left started controlling more stuff such as healthcare. Trump was the first successful candidate for individual control. I mean that’s what a lot of the COVID19 vaccine debate is, government mandates or individual decisions.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:47 am to FooManChoo
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I'm not sure what "Conservative" means any longer, because I used to believe it was a belief in the Christians principles that were used in the formation of our country, yet today many Conservatives are fine with dispensing with the bibilcal worldview, especially in terms of morality, in favor or other things.
That brand of “conservatism” as always been relegated to fringe religious believers. The founders did not have a “biblical worldview”. The United States is the greatest country in the history of the world. Preserving that is the conservative mission
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:48 am to Rex Feral
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:48 am to VoxDawg
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That this would be the hill the conservatives want to die on is positively retarded. Why don't we try to stop our steady slide into socialism first, then we can wring our hands over who Brandi Love does or does not choose to have sex with once that little wrinkle is ironed out.
I am totally okay with "porn stars don't belong at events for high school kids" being a hill that I'm willing to die on.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:49 am to cssamerican
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I think the country has just become divided moreso on government control vs individual control recently. Probably because the left started controlling more stuff such as healthcare. Trump was the first successful candidate for individual control. I mean that’s what a lot of the COVID19 vaccine debate is, government mandates or individual decisions.
I just think people's minds are going to start to wander away from this as things get more and more radicalized on the right
Along the lines of "well, if we're going to have this fight and talk about splitting up the country/revolution/purge/etc. - why wouldn't we make the "new" country the way we want it, setting ground rules on morality-based positions and then allowing full autonomy within that framework"
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:54 am to Pettifogger
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I just think people's minds are going to start to wander away from this as things get more and more radicalized on the right
Along the lines of "well, if we're going to have this fight and talk about splitting up the country/revolution/purge/etc. - why wouldn't we make the "new" country the way we want it, setting ground rules on morality-based positions and then allowing full autonomy within that framework"
I agree and I think more libertarian-types who did the "well fighting Communism is the most important thing" move will find out that many will face, effectively, the same thing with Evangelicals. These 2 threads have shown many were lying in wait during Trump to get power and flex on fools.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's specific to Trump and Trumpism, b/c he muddled the definition of all things "conservative" and the political compasses of those who supported him.
B.S.
Trump’s prevarications and often incoherent political philosophy is not unique or specific to Trump or his supporters. Yet you never miss an opportunity to sh*t all over Trump’s supporters as if they alone are the Genesis of the ongoing crisis.
Love it or hate it, Trumpism — such as it — is nothing but a visceral reaction to the failed “conservative” agenda promoted by the Republican Party since at least the end of the Cold War. As it stands, the populism that Trump represents is the very best outcome we can expect in the wholly corrupted political environment of the UniParty®.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:01 pm to Pettifogger
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I hate the argument that humans should do anything and everything because it's "human nature."
When deciding who should belong to your political group, it's really not wise to exclude people if you can't help it, yes.
You personally don't have to accept anything she does, but it's ridiculous to "ban" someone from conservative causes for doing free market things.
At one time, the Republican party actually supported entrepreneurs.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:02 pm to MAADFACTS
quote:Really? I'm pretty sure most "Conservatives" prior to the 1960's didn't tolerate or wouldn't have supported tolerating the social issues we tolerate today. I wonder why that was.
That brand of “conservatism” as always been relegated to fringe religious believers.
quote:What do you think they meant when they said that we have been endowed by our creator by certain inalienable rights? Where did they get the idea of a creator?
The founders did not have a “biblical worldview”.
quote:Why is the US the greatest country in the world? Were the principles that this country were founded on made up out of thin air?
The United States is the greatest country in the history of the world. Preserving that is the conservative mission
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:03 pm to imjustafatkid
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I fully welcome any and all into the conservative movement, but that doesn't mean porn stars belong at events for kids.
How is a political convention an event for kids?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:06 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Trump’s prevarications and often incoherent political philosophy is not unique or specific to Trump or his supporters. Yet you never miss an opportunity to sh*t all over Trump’s supporters as if they alone are the Genesis of the ongoing crisis.
did you even read the discussion thread that you just replied to?
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Love it or hate it, Trumpism — such as it — is nothing but a visceral reaction to the failed “conservative” agenda promoted by the Republican Party since at least the end of the Cold War.
you better tell the Evangelicals and social conservatives b/c they're ignoring this to go back to those very policies
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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but it's ridiculous to "ban" someone from conservative causes for doing free market things.
So, you think she is appropriate for an event that is aimed at teens? I do not have issues with bars or alcohol but I do not seek their sponsorship for events that are associated with and targeting teens...
I do not care what this lady does to make money and I can still side with her on many political issues while also seeing how inappropriate her presence would be at an event targeting teens...
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:06 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Setting aside such a bigoted and perverse view of traditional Christian morality, viewing woman as simple orifices to deposit sperm is unmanly and at it’s heart a destructive value.
Whether you acknowledge it or not, apologizing for such acts of irresponsible machismo is an abandonment of the ethos of personal responsibility and likewise an apology for the culture of “baby mamas.”
Such a mindset is a core tenet of the progressive dogma of “Do What Thou Wilt.”
“The Christian rule is this: ‘Either marriage, with complete faithfulness to your partner, or else total abstinence.’ Now this is so difficult and so contrary to our instincts, that obviously either Christianity is wrong or our sexual instinct, as it now is, has gone wrong.” C.S. Lewis.
I’m not a Christian. I’m an American and a realist, so your British homosexual quote about denying yourself for the greater good means nothing to me
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:13 pm to FooManChoo
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Really? I'm pretty sure most "Conservatives" prior to the 1960's didn't tolerate or wouldn't have supported tolerating the social issues we tolerate today.
Conservatives didn't appreciate porn?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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onservatives didn't appreciate porn?
Italians seem to like nun themed porn quite a bit…based on, ahem, independent research.
Edit: misread conservatives as “Christians”.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Many if not most didn't, no.
Conservatives didn't appreciate porn?
Remember that prior to the age of the internet, porn was relegated to seedy movie theaters and magazines that required someone to actually walk into an establishment to get get it. It wasn't as readily-available as it is today, where people can feel safe to view it in anonymity.
So no, I don't think as many people viewed porn as they do today back then and it made it easier to hold views that favored limited access and distribution of it.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 12:19 pm to anc
Brand Love literally has a picture of her vagina in spread eagle as her pinned tweet on her twitter account and she's consistently promoting pornography as you scroll down her feed.
That's not something we want at an event where easily impressionable minors attend.
If a 48-year-old hardcore porn star really wants to listen and learn, there are many ways where she can do that, hell the entire internet is full of such material. A conference for conservative teenagers, while wearing a VIP badge, is not the appropriate context for that kind of learning though.
Anyone arguing in support of the porn star is essentially arguing for “Personal liberty” without any moral foundation. That’s not conservatism. It’s the same irrelevant brand of libertarianism that has caused the Right to lose major cultural battle for decades. You surrender the culture to the left while pretending to stand for something. Stupid.
That's not something we want at an event where easily impressionable minors attend.
If a 48-year-old hardcore porn star really wants to listen and learn, there are many ways where she can do that, hell the entire internet is full of such material. A conference for conservative teenagers, while wearing a VIP badge, is not the appropriate context for that kind of learning though.
Anyone arguing in support of the porn star is essentially arguing for “Personal liberty” without any moral foundation. That’s not conservatism. It’s the same irrelevant brand of libertarianism that has caused the Right to lose major cultural battle for decades. You surrender the culture to the left while pretending to stand for something. Stupid.
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