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re: Property taxes - theft
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:17 pm to FriedEggBowL
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:17 pm to FriedEggBowL
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let's hear your plan, big boy. i'm all ears
What am I planning for?
If you want a solution for a specific problem, I'll be happy to provide options.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 10:22 pm
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:23 pm to 3down10
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Oh, so as long as 51% of the people say it's ok to rob the neighbors, then it's ok to steal from your neighbors.
But it would be OK for your neighbor's house to burn to the ground or no one showed up to provide emergency medical services as long as 51% said that they didn't want those services? I happen to know the perfect place that you could live. No taxes or services. Unfortunately, if you want civilization, you're going to have to pay for it.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:25 pm to 3down10
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What am I planning for?
apparently you don't know how to read a thread. you just said that there were ways to fund those services i mentioned, but you didn't specify those ways. just generalized that there are "ways". let's hear your plan of how you'd keep roads and bridges up (because you'd be the first one to bitch when you couldn't drive to the grocery store to feed your arse because your road has washed out and nobody or money to fix it, or a bridge has been condemned and closed and there's no money to fix it, so it stays closed, or your house burns down because there's no fire dept, and you couldn't afford to have home owners insurance because it was so high, because again, you don't have a fire department, and when somebody robs your house and there's no police to come, or worse yet, somebody shoots your arse and there's no police or ambulance to come, so you bleed out and die. Let's hear your plan of how to tackle those things without revenue. and before you start singing about gas tax paying for roads, i'll give you some real world numbers. the gas tax revenue that comes back to parishes and counties will re-surface about a third of a mile of road a year. that's it. it ain't much. and an average 6 span bridge costs about $2 MM to replace
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:29 pm to Tantal
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But it would be OK for your neighbor's house to burn to the ground or no one showed up to provide emergency medical services as long as 51% said that they didn't want those services? I happen to know the perfect place that you could live. No taxes or services. Unfortunately, if you want civilization, you're going to have to pay for it.
So the only way it's possible to have those services is if you pay for them by stealing from your neighbors?
Do you know what a volunteer fire department is? That's what many people had and still have today where I grew up. There were no taxes paying for our local fire department, they got by on donations.
And I don't know why you think medical services are free. They are not. It's over $1000 for an Ambulance ride.
If the only way you can have a service is to rob your fellow citizens, then that service shouldn't exist.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:30 pm to Tantal
Volunteer fire departments exist. It’s only liberals that think we have to inflate taxes for something as trivial as fire departments.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:32 pm to BarnHater
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Volunteer fire departments exist. It’s only liberals that think we have to inflate taxes for something as trivial as fire departments.
who do you think provides the fire department buildings, buys those half million dollar fire trucks and $4000 (per fireman) turn out gear for "volunteer fire departments"?. That's right. your property tax dollars and a few grants
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:35 pm to roguetiger15
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Got mine yesterday. Love that end of the year 3500 payment to Uncle Sam
I live in dallas. I would be fricking ecstatic if mine was 3500. Ours is escrowed into our mortgage and its around 10k. Nearly 1000 a month is just the cost associated with owning our house.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:36 pm to 3down10
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Do you know what a volunteer fire department is?
Yes. I have one for my lake condo, which is why my insurance premiums are higher than a cat's arse. I even know some of the VFD guys. Every one of them is a slack-jawed dullard slapdick that I wouldn't trust to apply a Band-Aid, much less keep me alive until proper EMS arrived from 45 minutes away. You get what you pay for.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:36 pm to 3down10
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If the only way you can have a service is to rob your fellow citizens, then that service shouldn't exist.
sounds like this might be the place for you.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:42 pm to FriedEggBowL
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let's hear your plan of how you'd keep roads and bridges up
Gas tax is a consumption based tax I explained earlier that is used to pay roads and bridges. Beyond that, there are toll roads that charge a toll for their use, and businesses and private citizens can also pay for their own roads. They already do this.
And if it's not enough to pay for it, then it's probably because of corruption and other factors, or they just aren't charging enough.
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or your house burns down because there's no fire dept
Volunteer Fire Departments exist every where. They live on donations and in some cases they'll send you a bill.
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you couldn't afford to have home owners insurance because it was so high
That's not how business works. If people can't afford it, then there is no insurance. See how that works? I live in Florida only a few miles from the gulf coast, I'm well aware of high insurance.
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and when somebody robs your house and there's no police to come
Buy a gun. Although most police operate based on tickets and the small sales tax of local businesses. Sale taxes are fine because they aren't stealing from your neighbors, and it's really the businesses that pay for it.
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and there's no police or ambulance to come, so you bleed out and die
An ambulance ride is not free, they charge for those services.
If these services are wanted so badly and in such need, why do you have to steal from other people to have them? Why can't they survive off donations and such?
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:42 pm to FriedEggBowL
Ha. Beat you to it 7 posts up. Looks like that might be his paradise though.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:43 pm to Tantal
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Yes. I have one for my lake condo, which is why my insurance premiums are higher than a cat's arse. I even know some of the VFD guys. Every one of them is a slack-jawed dullard slapdick that I wouldn't trust to apply a Band-Aid, much less keep me alive until proper EMS arrived from 45 minutes away. You get what you pay for.
Too bad you can't steal from your neighbors out there and make them pay for a service so you can get cheaper insurance.
It's a damn crime you are actually responsible for your property.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:46 pm to FriedEggBowL
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sounds like this might be the place for you.
I have a job with real income. But I can play this stupid game if you want.
This might be the place for you:
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:49 pm to 3down10
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Too bad you can't steal from your neighbors out there and make them pay for a service so you can get cheaper insurance.
My neighbors are in the same building. If one burns, they probably all burn. And, from what I've seen of the VFD, they'd definitely burn.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:56 pm to Tantal
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My neighbors are in the same building. If one burns, they probably all burn. And, from what I've seen of the VFD, they'd definitely burn.
Then maybe you should all get together and donate to pay for a full time fire department.
Or you can take that money and donate to your local volunteer fire department and make them better.
Or local businesses can donate part of their profits to pay for it to improve the area and their own customers(aka sales tax).
But no, you want everyone else to pay for it.
The basic fact of the matter is this - you do not have a right to help yourself to another persons property ever. It doesn't matter what services you think is required or needed. You do not have the right to do so.
Using government like this is the most common way we break the commandments. It's just stealing from your neighbor and coveting their property - because of all the good things you can do with it. Meanwhile some families are struggling to make ends meet by you gotta take a chunk of their wealth anyway because you don't want higher insurance.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:56 pm to Tantal
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I hate my property taxes too, but Police Departments, Fire Departments, school districts, parks, and Street Departments aren't free.
Nice sheep response. Govt has plenty of money. These departments all functioned, arguably better, well before 80% of the taxes we have now existed.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:00 pm to 3down10
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Then maybe you should all get together and donate to pay for a full time fire department.
Actually, we did get together. The whole city/county did. We got together at polling places and decided that the vast majority wanted professional services and that we were willing to pay for them.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:02 pm to Tantal
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Actually, we did get together. The whole city/county did. We got together at polling places and decided that the vast majority wanted professional services and that we were willing to pay for them.
So you voted to steal from your neighbors via the armed force of your local police for anyone who resisted.
Again, this is why democracy sucks. You just vote yourself the right to other peoples property.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:08 pm to 3down10
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Again, this is why democracy sucks. You just vote yourself the right to other peoples property.
Well, you can have dictatorship on one end of the spectrum (see how your taxes look then) or complete freedom and anarchy on the other. Slab City awaits you. Nobody taking your money or telling you what to do. A veritable paradise for you.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:09 pm to 3down10
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businesses and private citizens can also pay for their own roads.
this is some funny shite right here. you are so clueless as to what it costs to maintain roads and bridges. you think they were just always there, i'll bet. a 2-lane road costs roughly a million a mile to build from scratch. it costs $160,000 a mile to overlay with asphalt. it costs $60,000 a mile to re-seal the cracks with a sealer and stripe. in a typical county or parish, you have to maintain approx 150 miles of road a year just to keep up with deterioration. a typical 6 span bridge costs about $2 MM to replace. you'll replace an average of 6 a year in a county or parish. good luck passing that bill onto businesses and getting "private citizens" to donate.
just so you're aware. I'm a republican elected local official in Mississippi, so I know how the sausage is made. I make sure our tax dollars are spent wisely and not wasted. I get your cynicism and propensity to think all elected officials are crooked and out to "steal your money", but it's simply not the reality of things. Covid drove costs sky high for everyone, including governments. labor went up (can't get anyone to work), machinery went up, tar and asphalt went up, rock, gravel, and sand went up, costs to haul garbage to a landfill went up, diesel went up, everything went up, just like things went up for consumers. it costs real money to provide the services that i KNOW you take for granted. you'd be cowered in your closet pissing your pants if there was no law enforcement in your county or city and anarchy and looting took over. and you'd be bitching when the bridge between your house and wherever you shop or work was out and there was nobody or no money to fix it and it just stayed closed, and you had to drive 30 miles out of the way to get around it, and your gasoline costs went up because of it. Yeah, you definitely should visit Slab City, CA
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 11:12 pm
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