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re: Pump the breaks on a National Divorce
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:27 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:27 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Czechoslovakia effectively was a lost cause after the Munich Pact which led to everything. The Soviet control, Velvet Revolution, Czech Republic. So yes, a side effect of WWII.
So, the Czech Republic and Slovakia separated peacefully and became separate independent countries without war. Correct?
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:27 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Hate to break it to you but the reason we’ve gotten here is exactly how politics goes. It’s a give and take. Right now the republicans are giving a lot, but as soon as they gain legislative ground, they will proceed to take.
Republicans NEVER take. This is literally 100% never been the case. We've had 32 years of Republican Presidents since 1970, and the country is FAR more to the left today than it was then. When the GOP takes control, at best, they simply stop moving to the left, but never move to the right to return us to where we were before the democrats move us left, or even go to the right of that. What usually happens is they move left less slowly than the Democrats. Now you could argue, "Well if that's the case why want a divorce? Won't they do the same thing in this new more conservative America?" I'd argue they'd be less incentivized to behave like Democrats in a country that had none in it. there would be shades of conservatism obviously, but they'd all be pointing in the same direction again.
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I’m surprised a 2 party system has lasted this long. But to answer your question, the only logical answer would be something external, like a threat to the country. There’s no way for Ds and Rs to find common grounding since we are at such a irreparable impasse. An external threat or something happening to show where we are better together as a country is what’s needed.
Decades ago I'd agree this would take place. Today? Not a chance! why would The Left in America come together to protect America from an external threat when their main goal is destroying it form within? Their only reason for even caring would be someone else would ultimately be responsible for the destruction and rebuild and not themselves.
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It’s unfortunate that we’ve let the country get to this position.
See above. As conservatives, we have not held our side's political leaders' feet to the fire to make them actual govern as conservatives once elected. there's a reason they say there are Republicans who are really Democrats, but no Democrats who are really Republicans.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:29 pm to USAFbamaFAN
The Globalist Radicals lurking in the shadows of the far left democrat party have no intention of giving up power. Already we hear reports of planeloads of illegals arriving in the middle of the night in states like Pennsylvania and Georgia. Need I mention the massive surge of illegals (who knows who else) coming across our southern border? They're certainly a bold bunch.
Add to the mix is this Covid Variant b/s. Can lockdowns be far behind? Do we see cheat-by-mail, drop boxes and dominion voting machines equipped with internal modems in the future? I certainly think so.
Bottom line. The democrats stole the Presidential Election in 2020 and they intend to steal the Mid-term Elections and the 2024 Presidential Election.
Book it.
Add to the mix is this Covid Variant b/s. Can lockdowns be far behind? Do we see cheat-by-mail, drop boxes and dominion voting machines equipped with internal modems in the future? I certainly think so.
Bottom line. The democrats stole the Presidential Election in 2020 and they intend to steal the Mid-term Elections and the 2024 Presidential Election.
Book it.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:30 pm to LuckyTiger
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became separate independent countries without war
No, that wouldn’t be completely correct. You can’t pick and choose slices of history to support your claim. You have to look at the whole picture and what created that political environment to motivate a split.
The only reason there was a peaceful split is because the USSR was failing anyway.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:31 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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See above. As conservatives, we have not held our side's political leaders' feet to the fire to make them actual govern as conservatives once elected. there's a reason they say there are Republicans who are really Democrats, but no Democrats who are really Republicans.
And yet we still have establishment Republicans on this board who want to continue the stupidity.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:31 pm to Bass Tiger
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The SCOTUS is going to give America First patriots the true indication if a separation of like minded people is necessary. If the SCOTUS rules the authoritarian regime can mandate vaccines that are proving to be less and less effective against a virus....then we'll know what time it is.
Obamacare...Strike One. Election Fraud..."No Standing"...Strike Two! One more strike and they are out.
The SC is headed toward becoming nullified and irrelevant. Granite Buildings and Black Robes don't imbue those who inhabit them with innate wisdom and credibility. Truth does. If they keep mocking the Truth...their Rulings will fall on deaf ears. And attempts to employ violence to enforce them, will result in violence back. That is human nature and history.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:34 pm to LSUwag
There was a study done a few years ago - Trump was already president.
It was talking about what would happen with a hot civil war.
The lefties take a big hit, free Americans take victories early and often because lefties fold like a cheap tent.
Military would resist but still side with the free Americans.
wouldnt take long. This is why Obama has been working so hard to "fundamentally change" the military..
Dont know how far he actually got on his weaponization of it.
It is said that he has gone 10 levels deep on the hard power structure of ALL THE AGENCIES he has weaponized.
No one has done more intentional damage that Obama - and frankly, he is a major reason why we are discussing civil war.
It was talking about what would happen with a hot civil war.
The lefties take a big hit, free Americans take victories early and often because lefties fold like a cheap tent.
Military would resist but still side with the free Americans.
wouldnt take long. This is why Obama has been working so hard to "fundamentally change" the military..
Dont know how far he actually got on his weaponization of it.
It is said that he has gone 10 levels deep on the hard power structure of ALL THE AGENCIES he has weaponized.
No one has done more intentional damage that Obama - and frankly, he is a major reason why we are discussing civil war.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:35 pm to LuckyTiger
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You’re backtracking a little but still wrong on Slovenia.
How am I backtracking?
And no, I am not. Slovenia fought the JSA before agreeing to a ceasefire. Short? Yes, but it still happened. Armed troops exchanged fire. People died.
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Regarding Croatia, you’ve gone from they didn’t have a good time to they’re having a good time now but they didn’t have a good time.
No I haven’t changed at all. They did not have a good time breaking away. Has it worked out in the three decades since? Yes. I never once disputed that.
That it has worked out does not mean that it was pleasant or good for anyone while it was happening, which is how I interpreted your original statement of “having a good time of it”. If you meant that it all worked out in the end, then yea. We were miscommunicating.
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Regarding Czech Republic, Slovakia, Montenegro, I’m glad we’ve settled that these countries did not separate through war.
I never said that they did. I said that they had an easy time doing it peacefully because the relevant administrative borders already existed within the former combined state.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:35 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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No, that wouldn’t be completely correct. You can’t pick and choose slices of history to support your claim. You have to look at the whole picture and what created that political environment to motivate a split. The only reason there was a peaceful split is because the USSR was failing anyway.
lol
Wow
That is some mental gymnastics.
First, you argue if not for the Munich Pact of 1930s Czechoslovakia would not have separated peacefully. That is quite dubious to be considerate. It’s really just silly.
Then you throw in but it wouldn’t have ever happened if the Soviet Union was still around! Well, the Soviet Union isn’t still around.
It also might not have happened if Vaclav Havel had a heart attack in his 40s or if Hitler had never been born.
You’re ridiculous.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:39 pm to Indefatigable
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I never said that they did.
Correct. Sorry I conflated you with the op.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:39 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Yea you just have to make a decision which side you want to be on and off current job is worth being in enemy territory
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:39 pm to LuckyTiger
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That is some mental gymnastics.
Explaining the events that set up how the soviets gained control of Czechoslovakia to only lose control by a peaceful revolution is mental gymnastics to you? Why do you think it was called the Velvet Revolution?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:41 pm to Indefatigable
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And no, I am not. Slovenia fought the JSA before agreeing to a ceasefire. Short? Yes, but it still happened. Armed troops exchanged fire. People died.
There were probably a few deaths in a couple of skirmishes or standoffs. But there was no war in Slovenia.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:42 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Explaining the events that set up how the soviets gained control of Czechoslovakia to only lose control by a peaceful revolution
Thank you.
Took you a while to admit it but you eventually got here.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:42 pm to LuckyTiger
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That is some mental gymnastics.
Also, the only mental gymnastics going on is you conflating on what’s going on in the US to the situation anyone of those countries were going through. They had it a hell of lot more rough to usher a split than what’s going on here.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:43 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Quick: name the top 5 countries that had an internal split and had a good time about it.
1. Czechoslovakia
2. Yugoslavia
3. Bolivarian Countries
4. Eastern Roman Empire (survived another 1000 years after the west collapsed)
5. Panama
6. Soviet Bloc Countries
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:44 pm to Indefatigable
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This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 12:08 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:45 pm to LuckyTiger
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Took you a while to admit it but you eventually got here.
You must not be too great at reading comprehension. I said that it was a side effect of WWII, not because of war directly at the time of the split.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:47 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Sounds a lot like those who said cleaving from the crown about 250 years ago would be madness.
That seemed to work out all right until recently. Yes, there were some bumps in the road but all in all it was a successful venture.
That seemed to work out all right until recently. Yes, there were some bumps in the road but all in all it was a successful venture.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:48 pm to tide06
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If you don’t like being in the newly established nation move
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Nothing forced
Lol. What hypocrisy is this?
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