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re: Question about "Trump is a Convicted Felon!"
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:13 am to themunch
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:13 am to themunch
The issue is the law itself, which, IIRC, was the same law used for the admin-civil case against Trump Org. It's a very vague, broad, and expansive law.
Based on the law, the misdemeanor case is pretty clear. The felony part is the one that requires a bit more, but the law is written in a way that allows the possibility of another conviction when they retry it.
Merchan's jury instructions were wonky, as I said in real time, and they will likely cause the case to be remanded for retrial. He permitted way too much flexibility in the jury agreeing for a guilty verdict.
*ETA: some of the testimony that wasn't that important may also be barred at the new trial due to Presidential immunity
Based on the law, the misdemeanor case is pretty clear. The felony part is the one that requires a bit more, but the law is written in a way that allows the possibility of another conviction when they retry it.
Merchan's jury instructions were wonky, as I said in real time, and they will likely cause the case to be remanded for retrial. He permitted way too much flexibility in the jury agreeing for a guilty verdict.
*ETA: some of the testimony that wasn't that important may also be barred at the new trial due to Presidential immunity
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 6:19 am
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:16 am to SlowFlowPro
That is a quaint response but did not answer me. Or you did. So thanks.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:18 am to themunch
quote:
That is a quaint response but did not answer me.
It answered you in great detail, with commentary and analysis about your "convoluted" comment.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:19 am to FLTech
They feel like he is so in their warped minds it's true
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:20 am to SlowFlowPro
No sir you did not answer anything. You gave a synopsis of what was done. Not how they twisted state law to get a federal conviction but thanks man.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:21 am to themunch
quote:
. Not how they twisted state law to get a federal conviction
Yeah that didn't happen, though.
If you were trying to get me to make a factually incorrect statement, you are correct, I did not do that
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:23 am to SlowFlowPro
oh for frick sakes jake Your a liar.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:25 am to themunch
There are two things in this life that irk the shite out of me and makes me ill.
Liars and Thieves
Liars and Thieves
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:26 am to themunch
Have a great day
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:28 am to themunch
quote:
Your a liar.
Naw.
The predicate offense to enhance it to a felony only requires a crime. One option is a violation of federal law, but using that as a predicate doesn't make it a "federal conviction". Also, there were many more state crime options (business records, state election laws, state tax laws, etc.) available that could be used as predicates.
So you agree if this goes back for retrial, and a jury finds that the predicate crime was a state crime, this would not be a "federal conviction", correct?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:34 am to FLTech
Hasn’t been “convicted” of anything, actually.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Im done Jake. You showed me you agree with abusing the law to get results.
Thanks man.
Thanks man.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:38 am to themunch
quote:
. You showed me you agree with abusing the law to get results.
I didn't, but this sort of straw man is the norm on here these days.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:44 am to SlowFlowPro
You have told us you agree
That is all I asked of you.
That is all I asked of you.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:20 am to SlowFlowPro
The predicate crimes were not listed until after the defense rested. I don’t see how the thirty four misdemeanors could have been raised to felonies if he was not unanimously convicted of the predicate crime. The jury instructions involved basically picking one of three which would be against due process.
I don’t believe NY is in any hurry because the blowback will be ugly and they lose the ability to call him a convicted felon.
I don’t believe NY is in any hurry because the blowback will be ugly and they lose the ability to call him a convicted felon.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:25 am to 20 ton
quote:
The predicate crimes were not listed until after the defense rested. I don’t see how the thirty four misdemeanors could have been raised to felonies if he was not unanimously convicted of the predicate crime. The jury instructions involved basically picking one of three which would be against due process.
Like I said (both in real time and this thread), the conviction is likely going to be overturned for procedural reasons like these and sent back for retrial.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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procedural reasons l
That's a strange way to spell "crooked judge".
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:31 am to Flats
It's used as a distinction is from substantive reasons (relating to the merits of the underlying case itself).
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:32 am to themunch
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Im done Jake. You showed me you agree with abusing the law to get results. Thanks man.
If this case was the trump admin on offense, he’d have a list reasons why it was abuse of the intent of the law or lawfare
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
It's used as a distinction is from substantive reasons (relating to the merits of the underlying case itself).
A judge openly angling for a conviction is "procedural"?
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