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Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:51 pm to TexasForever81
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Subscribed. Thank you.
Awesome. Thank you. I hope the Lord blesses you through my efforts to preach His word.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:51 pm to PastorJ
I’m currently on a sir Winston rabbit hole but have subscribed to you- I will check you out during this week, I am excited to see what you’re preaching and teaching! Thank you!
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:54 pm to SallysHuman
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I’m currently on a sir Winston rabbit hole but have subscribed to you- I will check you out during this week, I am excited to see what you’re preaching and teaching! Thank you!
Thank you! May Christ be exalted!
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not really relevant. It works both ways.
That comment was about the perception of men/societies and requires no divine effort or application.
I think its rather the opposite, it requires either no God, or a God who is very unlike Christ.
Hence why I mentioned Christ's statement of I am with you always.
It does require a God who does not influence the world.
It is fundamentally incompatible with the behaviors of Jesus Christ.
Decades of critical studies in religion have weighed hard against a clock maker god who works only via natural means with a dispassionate demeanor.
But that is not a God who heals the sick, who has dinner with his friends, kissed his betrayer, and willingly carried a cross to his brutal death.
Its just fundamentally orthogonal to your critical (in the classic sense) theory of man as the only driver of Christianity.
To make one note, when you bring up Aliens and Islam are not in scripture, you also have to admit what is in scripture is that God so loved the world, its a single focus of something he personally created, knew us from before we were born, knows when a bird lands.
You and I are close to the same age, when in 30 years you and I are nearing life expectancy, and there are no aliens (to note, microbes in the solar system are not unexpected by scripture.
You will face an increasing chance of death each day.
And I say this from a scientific perspective, the distances in the universe are so great it precludes any proof of alien discovery in our lifetimes.
UAPs are balloons, US, Chinese and Russian vehicles, and various effects of refraction.
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 6:43 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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just don't see how Christianity could survive a logical analysis if we find out about aliens
Hear me out...
I think they're demons. I think the argument you just gave is exactly what they want you to say.
"Christianity is just a myth. It can't logically be real."
Again, its just my opinion but the way I see it.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:29 pm to DiamondDog
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just don't see how Christianity could survive a logical analysis if we find out about aliens
Honestly I would not see a problem. As one said it might very be demonic. Or, it could be other life God has created. Aliens, if they exist, by no means disproves God. That's just a sci-fi fantasy.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:40 pm to TexasForever81
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He said John preached this, but John didn’t get Christ’s Revelation until roughly 95 AD. 25 years after Jerusalem fell and 27 years after Nero’s reign ended.
There a growing amount of question as to whether it was actually written this late. The complete lack of mention of the total destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD would be a massive omission and given the significance of that event to the region it just.....well it just doesn't add up. Anyways if it wasn't obvious by now, with every passing day I more and more believe Revelations was written before 70 AD, lots of the events prophesied in it are related to 70 AD and Nero NOT to events in the future, and that the current "left behind" type interpretation of Revelation is pretty off base
And I say that as someone who
Has read the Left Behind series several times, really enjoyed it, and who not all that long ago would've had a completely different opinion on this subject
But who knows what the truth is it's a very hard thing to interpret
Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:01 am to Wishnitwas1998
Why do you think it is obvious it was written before 70AD out of curiosity. Because that helps that certain view of eschatology?
I don’t often bring the Church Fathers into a discussion, but they believe John was exiled at least a decade after 70AD….. after they tried to boil him in oil. By Domitian who ruled from 89-96.
The dates and historical figures don’t support Revelation being written before 70AD in my opinion.
But the best thing. It’s not a salvation issue. It’s something we can come together and discuss and at the end, thank Christ we will be with Him for eternity
I don’t often bring the Church Fathers into a discussion, but they believe John was exiled at least a decade after 70AD….. after they tried to boil him in oil. By Domitian who ruled from 89-96.
The dates and historical figures don’t support Revelation being written before 70AD in my opinion.
But the best thing. It’s not a salvation issue. It’s something we can come together and discuss and at the end, thank Christ we will be with Him for eternity
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 12:03 am
Posted on 11/24/25 at 2:27 am to scottydoesntknow
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No it’s a dispensationalist Protestant thing. Its the same people that believe modern day Jews are still God's chosen people
Bingo!
Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:36 am to Boomdaddy65201
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Bingo!
Thank you.
And this too.
People think that they can decipher the scriptures of the end times just like the Jews thought they would recognize the Messiah when he came. Just like then, it's there but not what we think.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:51 am to aTmTexas Dillo
This teaching began after a woman named Margaret Macdonald , who lived in Glasgow Scotland in 1830 had dreams that at any moment Christ would return to whisk away his followers. Two preachers latched on to this woman’s dreams and began to teach as the gospel . The preachers were John Darby and Edward Irving . They took 1 thess chapter four 13- 17 , the so called rapture scriptures , to mean at any moment Christ would return for his followers and the rest of us would suffer through the Great Tribulation . What is being discussed in 1 thess chapter 4 is where are the dead . Paul is writing about the fact that they are already with Christ and that when he returns he is bringing a mass or “ cloud “ of fellow Christian’s with him .
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:54 am to TexasForever81
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So John wrote about future events that had already happened?
He wrote a coded treatise on recent/current events.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:02 am to LSUbest
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People think that they can decipher the scriptures of the end times just like the Jews thought they would recognize the Messiah when he came. Just like then, it's there but not what we think.
This is exactly how I view end times prophecy. Its more like just receipts by God to show us that He is sovereign and in control rather than a puzzle for us to figure out and actually modify our lives over. We are just to be ready, thats the only instruction we are given
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:04 am to SirWinston
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Serious question - have you been through grief or serious existential setback and struggle as an adult?
I get the snark bc I was agnostic / atheist from like 18 until 40 when things were going incredibly well.
I needed Christianity to get through some very dark days. Don't really have the time right now to explain it, but I cant imagine not having belief in my life anymore after I waded through (and still am in some ways) the muck and the mire for 6+ years.
I have. I work through all of this myself. Always have.
Starting to get into stoicism which is a similar worldview to how I've always done things naturally.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:07 am to SallysHuman
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By whose definition? Where are you getting these “rules” from??
Corporeal beings from another planet can't be ethereal by definition.
Changing THAT would be a much bigger deal than the alien issue. The concept of corporeal, ethereal, and even divine would be merged which is counter to much of Christian theology.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:10 am to Narax
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I think its rather the opposite, it requires either no God, or a God who is very unlike Christ.
Naw. You're reaching too hard for that.
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To make one note, when you bring up Aliens and Islam are not in scripture, you also have to admit what is in scripture is that God so loved the world, its a single focus of something he personally created, knew us from before we were born, knows when a bird lands.
But you're shifting the topic of what I was discussing into something completely different.
Remember, this is what you quoted
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No I just think how we perceive Christianity and why it works in modern society of rich people is a lot different than how people in 2AD Rome and Judea perceived Christianity and to whom it appealed to.
That is a separate discussion from the aliens one entirely.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:14 am to DiamondDog
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I think they're demons. I
But then they aren't aliens. Aliens are corporeal. Demons are ethereal.
The aliens=demons angle works from 2 different perspectives.
1. The Christian god isn't real and people misinterpreted aliens, corporeal beings from another planet, as demons/angels, ethereal beings (which nobody is arguing ITT I don' think)
2. We see "aliens" today and they are real, but not corporeal humanoids from outer space, and it's really angels/demons revealing themselves.
Trying to make them both corporeal and ethereal, as I said above, raises infinite more questions than the comment about aliens existing and God forgetting to mention it in the creation myth/story.
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I think the argument you just gave is exactly what they want you to say.
"Christianity is just a myth. It can't logically be real."
No. Not at all.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:16 am to PastorJ
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Or, it could be other life God has created.
You don't find that to be kind of a big deal?
It basically opens the Bible up to adding anything man can invent, because if the Bible left out aliens, then it could theoretically leave anything out.
There could be 5 more Jesus-like figures who came after Jeuss. We just forgot to include them in the Bible, too. See how silly that gets? It basically invalidates the Bible itself as a foundational text.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Corporeal beings from another planet can't be ethereal by definition.
SFP- where are you getting these rules?
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