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Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:16 am to supatigah
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wow, he was continuing assault while taking two steps back? the same two steps that gave dollof the path to disengage and get away WITH HIS CLIENT.
it is one thing to be an ideologue, but it is quite another to be a shill
Spraying someone with bear spray is assault, absolutely.
And the security guy and his client had no duty to retreat.
Further, bear spray guy had zero reason to fear the security guy. Security guy initially just placed his body in front of the reporter. He was assaulted and didn't respond. He only drew his gun when bear spray guy started drawing.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:18 am to mmcgrath
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And the security guy and his client had no duty to retreat.
Damn, I agree with you.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:21 am to mmcgrath
Im not sure I disagree with you either tbh....
But I believe in my heart that had the ideologies been reversed, and all other factors the same.... This shooter would be charged. I think you know it too.
But I believe in my heart that had the ideologies been reversed, and all other factors the same.... This shooter would be charged. I think you know it too.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:21 am to mmcgrath
quote:The bear spray was already in his hand, clearly displayed. He did not "draw" it.
He only drew his gun when bear spray guy started drawing.
Why do you lie so easily and openly?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:24 am to Milesahead
Did they originally go after each other simultaneously? 
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:26 am to mmcgrath
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Spraying someone with bear spray is assault, absolutely.
But not assault "with the intent to kill". Does not rise to the level of drawing one's own gun and shooting?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:28 am to mmcgrath
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And the security guy and his client had no duty to retreat.
he isnt in imminent danger if he also backs away, he is only in imminent danger if he stays put
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He only drew his gun when bear spray guy started drawing.
do you mean raising of the bear spray? there was no drawing of the bear spray, keltner had it in his hands the entire time
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:30 am to Wolfhound45
"frick around and find out" seems to be applicable here. I don't feel particularly outraged or sympathetic for this guy just because he's on "our side".
"Get those cameras out of here or I'll frick you up."
lays hands on an armed person, gets shot
"Get those cameras out of here or I'll frick you up."
lays hands on an armed person, gets shot
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:31 am to mmcgrath
quote:My man
mmcgrath
You describing it as an an unruly pos smacking a random guy then coming back at him only to be rightfully shot is wildly disingenuous after watching the video again.
Has it been a while since you’ve seen it? It had been for me.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:32 am to ReauxlTide222
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Did they originally go after each other simultaneously?
The "security guard" absolutely escalated the situation. He put his hands on ole boy first.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:33 am to Wolfhound45
quote:I meant "draw" in that he raised his arm with it, not that he pulled it from a holster.
The bear spray was already in his hand, clearly displayed. He did not "draw" it.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:34 am to mmcgrath
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And the security guy and his client had no duty to retreat.
I don't disagree that he had no duty to retreat but that does not equal a right to use lethal force. Assault does not give an automatic right to lethal force. If it did, there would be far more shootings and almost all would be justifiable. Ashli Babbitt's shooting still would not be, however.
Lethal force is supposed to be used only if you feel your life is in imminent danger. What is the argument here, that mace is potentially lethal therefore killing the guy is justified? Because I have been told by some higher-up members in our government that even a person approaching with a knife does not give the right to lethal force.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:35 am to Lsuhoohoo
It’s evident you didn’t watch the video at all.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:35 am to CouldCareLess
Thats a complicated question. What danger does the shooter perceive he will be in if he allows himself to be sprayed? They need to let a jury decide this, IMO
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:37 am to MightyYat
quote:I guess old baw was just innocently getting closer to the reporter here to have a conversation.
The "security guard" absolutely escalated the situation. He put his hands on ole boy first.
Also note the rings on the hands. Old baw surely just loves jewelry I guess.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 10:38 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:38 am to Nurbis
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I don't disagree that he had no duty to retreat but that does not equal a right to use lethal force. Assault does not give an automatic right to lethal force. If it did, there would be far more shootings and almost all would be justifiable. Ashli Babbitt's shooting still would not be, however.
Lethal force is supposed to be used only if you feel your life is in imminent danger. What is the argument here, that mace is potentially lethal therefore killing the guy is justified? Because I have been told by some higher-up members in our government that even a person approaching with a knife does not give the right to lethal force.
That's my biggest issue with this case. It's a blatant double standard. I agree that 2nd degree murder was a bit much but this dude doesn't even have to see the inside of a court room? Nah, that's nonsense.
I hope that family sues the frick out of Channel 9.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:39 am to the808bass
To compare the happenings here with the Rittenhouse claims is baffling.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:40 am to Gifman
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It’s evident you didn’t watch the video at all.
I certainly did and as I said, I don't feel particularly bad for him.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 10:40 am to mmcgrath
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I guess old baw was just innocently getting closer to the reporter here to have a conversation.
Literally happens all the time. You can't just shoot someone because you put yourself in an intense situation and then claim fear.
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Also note the rings on the hands. Old baw surely just loves jewelry I guess.
Christ..... I can't wait to hear why this matters at all.
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