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re: Republicans voted against decriminalizing marijuana.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:46 am to troyt37
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:46 am to troyt37
quote:That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I certainly fully endorse vigorous border enforcement.
Yeah? So when are you libertarian types going to start railing on the fact that our country's borders are not secure, and so the rights of Americans are being violated daily by people who are criminals just by being here?
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Right. It's not like the children of drug addicted parents often bear the brunt of their parents addiction or anything, huh? I mean my elementary teacher wife is hallucinating the fact that she deals with grandparents rather than parents 30% percent of the time, because the parents are too wiped out on meth to raise their own kids. She's just making up the story about going to the house of a problem child, to find that the second grader sits and watches porn with his dad after school while dad smokes meth, right? FREEDOM! Right?
So you are for banning sugary drinks and foods, right? Because over-consumption of such (and foisted on children) is by far the largest pathology in our society - it ruins bodies, lives and the economy.
quote:I don't participate in the stupid voting popularity contest - take it up with someone else.
Edit to add: I see your downvote. Don't want to talk about it on these terms, do you? Or maybe you just think it's a problem for this a-hole and his son, and not one for society. You may be right, but imagine for a moment sending your 7-8 year old daughter to school with this kid, and having methhead's son talk to her about screwing her until she squirts, because he watches porn with his dad while he smokes meth. Still FREEDOM! Right?
Nothing you've typed has anything to do with the actual issue. We could easily turn this right back around on you with guns. FREEDOM, right? Yes - even with the misbehavior of many adults, freedom.
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:48 am to Flats
quote:Sure, let's have a fulsome debate over age restrictions. What does that have to do with the overall question of adult freedoms?
So you only believe in freedom for adults. Do you hate 17 year olds?
quote:I'm not pretending anything. Drawing lines for minors has no bearing on the question of whether or not adults should be free to do free things.
There are legit discussions to be had over where to draw lines. Those are impossible to have when people like you pretend that they're freedom absolutists and everybody who disagrees with them isn't. If you want laws, you want to restrict freedoms. Your shite smells just like their shite; no roses here.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:54 am to Big Scrub TX
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I'm not pretending anything. Drawing lines for minors has no bearing on the question of whether or not adults should be free to do free things.
It forces you to admit that you have this arbitrary line where some people have freedom and others don't.
In any event, I'm an adult. Am I free to drive 150 mph through your neighborhood? Or do you want to restrict my adult freedoms? An intelligent conversation over weed is impossible until we all recognize that restricting some activities, even for adults, is necessary for a functioning society. This "I'm for freedom and you're not" is childish and false, unless you're an anarchist. I haven't met too many of those.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:07 pm to Flats
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It forces you to admit that you have this arbitrary line where some people have freedom and others don't.
The exact age of child/adult is obviously a political/social decision and not perfectly scientific. You're using this fact as a dishonest hook to hang the rest of your statism on.
quote:This is just logically lazy. The real question is: are you free to drive a car through my neighborhood? The simple answer is: yes. Are you allowed to drive recklessly no?
In any event, I'm an adult. Am I free to drive 150 mph through your neighborhood? Or do you want to restrict my adult freedoms? An intelligent conversation over weed is impossible until we all recognize that restricting some activities, even for adults, is necessary for a functioning society. This "I'm for freedom and you're not" is childish and false, unless you're an anarchist. I haven't met too many of those.
Same as: are adults allowed to smoke marijuana? Yes. Are they allowed to smoke marijuana and drive impaired through your neighborhood? No
I'm also guessing you aren't looking for an "intelligent conversation" over, say, guns. I'm guessing you're quite the absolutist on that topic.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I certainly fully endorse vigorous border enforcement.
It is, but are you willing to admit the among libertarian types, your position is an outlier? Because it is, and if the violation of the rights and freedoms of Americans is really unconscionable to you, then violating the rights and freedoms of every American citizen must be a completely higher magnitude than the ones who want drugs decriminalized, right?
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So you are for banning sugary drinks and foods, right? Because over-consumption of such (and foisted on children) is by far the largest pathology in our society - it ruins bodies, lives and the economy.
That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I fully endorse the prosecution and imprisonment of parents who allow the over-consumption of sugary drinks and foods to result in the abuse, abandonment, and mis-treatment of their kids.
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I don't participate in the stupid voting popularity contest - take it up with someone else.
Nor do I. My apologies. Must have been some other libertarian type who didn't want to discuss reality.
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Nothing you've typed has anything to do with the actual issue. We could easily turn this right back around on you with guns. FREEDOM, right? Yes - even with the misbehavior of many adults, freedom.
Not as easily as you think. Unless you can produce a constitutional amendment that mandates that the use of drugs remain uninfringed.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:14 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:14 pm to Robin Masters
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having to smell that shite every time you leave the house after 5pm
Imagine being this soft
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:17 pm to beulahland
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How will they tax it when anyone can grow it?
The same way they tax you when you grow vegetables and fruits. You pay the sales tax when you buy the seeds. They'll probably have a special tax like alcohol when you buy it in whatever form.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:23 pm to troyt37
quote:I think I've seen some "strong form" libertarians argue we shouldn't even enforce borders (largely because the govt is incompetent at that also.) I can't say whether or not that belief is the norm. I'm not even sure "libertarian" is a proper label for me. I believe in the concept of a country existing - and it's more or less meaningless without boundaries.
It is, but are you willing to admit the among libertarian types, your position is an outlier?
quote:I don't view misdemeanor border crossing as some kind of crazy assault on my rights. I'm not exactly why you do either.
Because it is, and if the violation of the rights and freedoms of Americans is really unconscionable to you, then violating the rights and freedoms of every American citizen must be a completely higher magnitude than the ones who want drugs decriminalized, right?
quote:Why just abuse and abandonment? What about just simply obesity and poor metabolic health - becoming a drag on our entire society. And not just with their kids - with themselves too. I highly doubt you actually support the IMPRISONMENT of adults who get fat and cost Medicare millions.
That's a bit of a non sequitur, but I fully endorse the prosecution and imprisonment of parents who allow the over-consumption of sugary drinks and foods to result in the abuse, abandonment, and mis-treatment of their kids.
quote:But even unfringable rights bear exceptions like you have cited. And then if you want to start parsing, what does "keep and bear arms" even mean? Is that the same as the right to USE them?
Not as easily as you think. Unless you can produce a constitutional amendment that mandates that the use of drugs remain uninfringed.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:30 pm to AgSGT
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AgSGT
That came across wrong from me.
I very much think there is a larger need for medical marijuana and is a better alternative than some of the poison being prescribed.
The rest of my jest was around blanket legalization.
Hey we are going to tax you, you own nothing, free speech is not a thing, white people suck, kids can change genders at 5 - ignore all that and smoke your happy weed we have provided you
That is what the lower IQ people want here.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:32 pm to sabes que
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The party of freedom strikes again. All for personal freedom, unless it’s something they don’t like.
Feeling the need to toke up while you're grooming kindergarten kids after your abortion?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:33 pm to Bulldogblitz
quote:You win!
Feeling the need to toke up while you're grooming kindergarten kids after your abortion?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This is just logically lazy.
It's logically accurate, you just don't want to address it. You want some restrictions on freedoms, just like everybody else who isn't an anarchist.
This "I'm for freedom and you're not if you don't want pot legalized" is what's lazy.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I think I've seen some "strong form" libertarians argue we shouldn't even enforce borders (largely because the govt is incompetent at that also.) I can't say whether or not that belief is the norm. I'm not even sure "libertarian" is a proper label for me. I believe in the concept of a country existing - and it's more or less meaningless without boundaries.
So, no. You aren't willing to admit your position is an outlier among libertarian types.
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I don't view misdemeanor border crossing as some kind of crazy assault on my rights. I'm not exactly why you do either.
Shall we count together the number of murders, rapes, robberies, and other violent crimes perpetrated by criminal illegals upon American citizens every year? Then we can ponder the 15 to 25 billion dollars of taxpayer money spent on criminal illegals every year, and how that violates our rights.
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Why just abuse and abandonment? What about just simply obesity and poor metabolic health - becoming a drag on our entire society. And not just with their kids - with themselves too. I highly doubt you actually support the IMPRISONMENT of adults who get fat and cost Medicare millions.
Not just abuse and abandonment, but this is your strawman, so build away. I believe there are consequences for parents who malnourish their kids, but just for consistency's sake, you think there should be none for a parent who decides that their kids diet should consist of 3 twinkies and 3 can of Coke per day, right?
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But even unfringable rights bear exceptions like you have cited. And then if you want to start parsing, what does "keep and bear arms" even mean? Is that the same as the right to USE them?
You should start a new thread with that one, because it isn't stupid at all, and certainly hasn't been discussed ad nauseum here before.Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:50 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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It’s about the downward effects it has on society. We already have record high mental problems
So with this logic we should outlaw alcohol. I can assure you weed would have a lot less affect on the population vs alcohol
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:53 pm to sabes que
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Republicans voted against decriminalizing marijuana
Guess it’s a good thing I’m not a single issue voter.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:54 pm to sabes que
And Republicans want to know why they are so abysmal with young people.
Who cares if someone smokes a joint? Who cares?
Who cares if someone smokes a joint? Who cares?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:56 pm to Apples and Oranges
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Who cares if someone smokes a joint? Who cares?
Apparently some people care enough about smelling it in public that they believe it should be illegal
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:05 pm to Apples and Oranges
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And Republicans want to know why they are so abysmal with young people.
And libertarian types want to know why they are so abysmal with responsible adults. The truth is, for many if not most people, drug use for recreational purposes simply isn't compatible with being a responsible, productive parent and adult.
I figure I smoked as much pot as anyone here when I was young, and enjoyed the hell out of it. Then I got married, embarked on a career, and had kids. At that point, a responsible adult recognizes that being a head just doesn't work with a productive life. Unfortunately, there are tons of people who can't or won't make that distinction and decision.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:06 pm to sabes que
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sabes que
Dude, stop whinging. Nobody's coming after your stash.
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