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re: Riddle Me This Pro-Lifers
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:43 am to GeorgePaton
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:43 am to GeorgePaton
There is little doubt (in my mind) that abstinence is the easiest, most responsible way around any/all of this. That is the abstain from sex until you're responsible enough to handle having a child.
So, with that said, there's an entire other point to made...
We can all agree that it costs a WHOLE lot more to raise a kid today than when I was a kid in the 80s. Like...a whole lot more.
$700 per month for daycare
$100s per month diapers, wipes, creams, etc.
$100s per month if you use formula
*money lost during maternity leave (most responsible parents both have to work nowadays). If you're lucky, you can get 6 weeks maternity leave at 60% but many in the corporate world receive nothing. (p.s. the US Navy now gives female sailors 18-weeks of paid maternity leave, and I think dads now get 6 weeks)
Medical expenses are entirely more than they were in the 80s. Better have a nice HSP built up before having a kid to cover that deductible.
Man...back then, you could responsibly have 3-4 kids before you were 30. Now, you can't do that before you're 40.
So, with that said, there's an entire other point to made...
We can all agree that it costs a WHOLE lot more to raise a kid today than when I was a kid in the 80s. Like...a whole lot more.
$700 per month for daycare
$100s per month diapers, wipes, creams, etc.
$100s per month if you use formula
*money lost during maternity leave (most responsible parents both have to work nowadays). If you're lucky, you can get 6 weeks maternity leave at 60% but many in the corporate world receive nothing. (p.s. the US Navy now gives female sailors 18-weeks of paid maternity leave, and I think dads now get 6 weeks)
Medical expenses are entirely more than they were in the 80s. Better have a nice HSP built up before having a kid to cover that deductible.
Man...back then, you could responsibly have 3-4 kids before you were 30. Now, you can't do that before you're 40.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:46 am to ZweiBierBitte
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If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is
Stopped reading here. My faith does not determine my pro-life position.
So GFY.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 7:47 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm a child from a single parent home with an alcoholic father who didn't support us living in the black part of town in the south. please tell me about my "societal privilege"
me too except I had no dad at all (maybe in fact a better situation than yours). I still see how I had it easier than many because of my white skin and my Grandmother's ability to send me to private school. That's how I made it out...
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:48 am to Revelator
The church carries only a small minority of the blame. The lion's share belongs to the public school system, parents and abstinence only lawmakers.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:49 am to jptiger2009
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because of my white skin and my Grandmother's ability to send me to private school
public school here after 2nd grade when my dad basically became unemployable (parents split in 4th grade)
again...public school...in south Louisiana
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:51 am to ZweiBierBitte
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If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is, why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
You act like people have kids with out doing any actions . If they can’t affod birth control then they shouldn’t be having sex .
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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again...public school...in south Louisiana
right, so we agree that I was more privileged than you?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:52 am to Roger Klarvin
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The church carries only a small minority of the blame.
The role of the Church is to preach the gospel, help the poor, etc. It has never been to teach kids about sex education.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:52 am to ZweiBierBitte
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There's no debate.
Where have we heard this before?
Meanwhile let's go kill some babies who can't defend themselves for social reasons.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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when states like Arizona and Alabama did their strict immigration policies back in like 2010, illegals left. if the lowest rung can move, anyone can
Right
Poor people aren't very mobile, but it's not based on mobility. It's based on the odd cultural aspects.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:55 am to Revelator
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It has never been to teach kids about sex education.
unfortunately, you're wrong. way wrong. Sex is a great part of life that many American Christians grow up thinking is nasty or wrong. yeah, hormone-raging teens were taught to get married before you can frick. That's the "safe way". 
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:56 am to tjv305
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If they can’t affod birth control then they shouldn’t be having sex .
the biggest lie on page one is
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unaffordable birth control
BC is cheap
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:56 am to ZweiBierBitte
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the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder
quote:
heinous sin that your faith tells you it is
See, that's where you're wrong... I don't need religion or faith to tell that killing a literal, living human being... a child, is murder. I have a fricking soul that tells me how sick it is you dumb frick.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:57 am to cajuncarguy
Why is killing another living human always framed as religious if the person is in a womb but not if the person is outside of the womb?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 7:59 am to jptiger2009
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unfortunately, you're wrong. way wrong. Sex is a great part of life that many American Christians grow up thinking is nasty or wrong. yeah, hormone-raging teens were taught to get married before you can frick. That's the "safe way".
No I'm not. The Church is responsible for preaching what's in the Bible and not the whim of the day. If you have problems with things Jesus said about sexuality or the Bible, that is a separate issue.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 8:00 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:00 am to jptiger2009
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so we agree that I was more privileged than you?
that depends on how you define "privilege"
i doubt you checked every box against me, just like i won't check every box against "average poor person"
"privilege" is a malleable concept...too malleable to be taken seriously
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:00 am to ZweiBierBitte
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Access to education and modern contraception reduces abortions
Any couple finding themselves in an unwanted pregnancy in 2018 is likely too stupid to be educated on prevention.
Seriously, you have to be mindlessly careless to achieve conception if that wasn't your aim.
How do you teach responsibility to people who have no sense of the concept?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:02 am to omegaman66
quote:Pro life for the whole life!!
Why is killing another living human always framed as religious if the person is in a womb but not if the person is outside of the womb?
Well maybe not, there's always the death penalty
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:03 am to ZweiBierBitte
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Access to education and modern contraception reduces abortions
If this is true, why were there less abortions in the past when people had less sex education and lesser access to contraceptives?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:05 am to ZweiBierBitte
You do realize the Catholic church has done more teaching on sex than any other institution right? Read Human Vitae and St. Pope John Paul II's writings on the Theology of the Body and get back to me on sex education.
Oh, and the statistics don't bear out your answer on contraception. Contraception has increased dramatically since the 1960s and abortions have followed right along. True sex education is about self control, not putting condoms on cucumbers.
Oh, and the statistics don't bear out your answer on contraception. Contraception has increased dramatically since the 1960s and abortions have followed right along. True sex education is about self control, not putting condoms on cucumbers.
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