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re: Right To Work at the Chattanooga VW Plant
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:38 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:38 am to WhiskeyPapa
The pros and cons of union jobs
By Larry Keller • Bankrate.com
Highlights
Workers with union jobs can only be terminated for "just cause."
A union worker who has more seniority may receive preference for an open job.
Union dues can range from $200 to several hundred dollars per year.
Thanks to labor unions, wages have improved, the workweek is shorter and the workplace is safer.
However, employers sometimes complain that unions are harmful to business and to the economy. From an employee standpoint, is being a union member beneficial? Here are some pros and cons of union jobs.
The pros of belonging to a union
Better wages. The median weekly income of full-time wage and salary workers who were union members in 2010 was $917, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. For nonunion workers, it was $717.
More access to benefits. Some 93 percent of unionized workers were entitled to medical benefits compared to 69 percent of their nonunion peers, according to the National Compensation Survey published last year by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The survey represented about 101 million private industry workers and 19 million state and local government employees.
Unmarried domestic partners -- same sex and opposite sex -- also had access more often to these benefits if they were unionized. Workers with union representation also had 89 percent of their health insurance premiums paid by their employer for single coverage and 82 percent for family coverage. For nonunion workers, the comparable numbers were 79 percent and 66 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And 93 percent of unionized workers have access to retirement benefits through employers compared to 64 percent of their nonunion counterparts.
Job security. Nonunion employees are typically hired "at will," meaning they can be fired for no reason. There are exceptions. Employers can't terminate a worker for discriminatory reasons such as race, religion, age and the like. Nor can they fire an at-will employee for being a whistleblower and certain other reasons.
However, workers with union jobs can only be terminated for "just cause," and the misconduct must be serious enough to merit such action. Before an employee can actually be fired, he or she can go through a grievance procedure, and if necessary, arbitration."
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By Larry Keller • Bankrate.com
Highlights
Workers with union jobs can only be terminated for "just cause."
A union worker who has more seniority may receive preference for an open job.
Union dues can range from $200 to several hundred dollars per year.
Thanks to labor unions, wages have improved, the workweek is shorter and the workplace is safer.
However, employers sometimes complain that unions are harmful to business and to the economy. From an employee standpoint, is being a union member beneficial? Here are some pros and cons of union jobs.
The pros of belonging to a union
Better wages. The median weekly income of full-time wage and salary workers who were union members in 2010 was $917, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. For nonunion workers, it was $717.
More access to benefits. Some 93 percent of unionized workers were entitled to medical benefits compared to 69 percent of their nonunion peers, according to the National Compensation Survey published last year by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The survey represented about 101 million private industry workers and 19 million state and local government employees.
Unmarried domestic partners -- same sex and opposite sex -- also had access more often to these benefits if they were unionized. Workers with union representation also had 89 percent of their health insurance premiums paid by their employer for single coverage and 82 percent for family coverage. For nonunion workers, the comparable numbers were 79 percent and 66 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And 93 percent of unionized workers have access to retirement benefits through employers compared to 64 percent of their nonunion counterparts.
Job security. Nonunion employees are typically hired "at will," meaning they can be fired for no reason. There are exceptions. Employers can't terminate a worker for discriminatory reasons such as race, religion, age and the like. Nor can they fire an at-will employee for being a whistleblower and certain other reasons.
However, workers with union jobs can only be terminated for "just cause," and the misconduct must be serious enough to merit such action. Before an employee can actually be fired, he or she can go through a grievance procedure, and if necessary, arbitration."
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:42 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:46 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Historically unions have done the exact opposite of what you are claiming
What am I claiming?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:40 am to jimmy the leg
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The reality is, temp workers can make mistakes (due to ignorance or lack of experience) that can be costly. I guess you should look at it this way, if you have a brain tumor, do you want your neurologist replaced by a temp worker.
Let's not pretend that working at an auto factory is brain surgery. Good lord people.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:50 am to rooster108bm
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quote:FYI Volkswagen corporate wanted the workers to unionizeThey wanted a German-style works council. They did not want the cancer that is the UAW any more than any other automaker does. The UAW deepens the divide between labor and management everywhere they operate.
One of the deciding factors in the plant being built in Chattanooga instead of Alabama was Gov. Riley's anti union stance. VW executives admitted this when it was announced Chattanooga won.
May have been a mistake too. Mercedes in Tuscaloosa has been there since 1997 and continues to be non union, and with very little of this kind of bull shite.
BTW, its in the middle of it's 3rd expansion.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:00 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Want a raise? Join a union
Union membership still pays...at least in terms of higher wages.
The typical union worker made $970 a week in 2014, compared to $763 for non-union workers, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
Please, your study linked in the article points out what is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Union memberships continue to drop and they are mostly held by government employees. They are a thing of the past.
The pay difference is because of location, not unionization.
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Among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual weekly
earnings of $980 in 2015, while those who were not union members had median weekly
earnings of $776. In addition to coverage by a collective bargaining agreement, this
earnings difference reflects a variety of influences, including variations in the
distributions of union members and nonunion employees by occupation, industry, age,
firm size, or geographic region.
Five states had union membership rates below 5.0 percent in 2015: South Carolina
(2.1 percent), North Carolina (3.0 percent), Utah (3.9 percent), Georgia (4.0 percent),
and Texas (4.5 percent). Two states had union membership rates over 20.0 percent in
2015: New York (24.7 percent) and Hawaii (20.4 percent).
With much higher membership percentages in the highest cost of living regions, what the hell do you expect the pay to be?
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:02 am to Kafkas father
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May have been a mistake too. Mercedes in Tuscaloosa has been there since 1997 and continues to be non union, and with very little of this kind of bull shite.
BTW, its in the middle of it's 3rd expansion.
It's funny I don't recall VW, Mercedes, Toyota, all these non union companies, in DC asking for bailout money.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:04 am to WhiskeyPapa
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However, workers with union jobs can only be terminated for "just cause," and the misconduct must be serious enough to merit such action. Before an employee can actually be fired, he or she can go through a grievance procedure, and if necessary, arbitration."
Here's the thing.
Be a good employee. Be on time, do a good job at what you do, show some initiative, don't be a slack arse and your average plant worker will thrive in a non union environment.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:02 am to WhiskeyPapa
Historically unions have been barriers to minorities trying to find work. They didn't allow minorities in unions and worked hard to pressure companies not to hire them
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:33 am to WhiskeyPapa
So you want them to get a union so they don't have to work to the standards of the employer? No labor laws are being broken are they??
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:40 am to I B Freeman
People of sufficient age remember the corrupt unions that used to be in Chattanooga.
The teamsters did horrible things to non union truck drivers--sabotaged their trucks, beat them up ect.
Jimmy Hoffa was even arrested one time in Chattanooga.
Non union Toyota is a great place to work with benefits unrivaled in the car business and this scares the union to death.
The teamsters did horrible things to non union truck drivers--sabotaged their trucks, beat them up ect.
Jimmy Hoffa was even arrested one time in Chattanooga.
Non union Toyota is a great place to work with benefits unrivaled in the car business and this scares the union to death.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 6:02 pm to Langston
My brother runs a fabrication plant. He HATES temp workers. They are continually fricking shite up. FWIW we are talking about roughly 100 people, 1/3 or so of which are temps.
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