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re: Rolling Stone: Marx Was Right
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:56 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:56 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Republicans have accused the Democrats of being reds for about a century now.
And being correct in not a few cases.
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:08 pm to DeltaDoc
Whether it's capitalism, communism, or socialism, greed is the problem.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:19 pm to DeltaDoc
Oddly enough, this so-called champion of the working class had a virtual slave in his own home. It is generally believed her son's father was in fact Marx.
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Further down the article we see this:
It is worth knowing that Terrell Carver is himself an avowed Marxist and professor of feminist thought, so I'm not sure I believe him.
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Despite Marx's distaste of exploitation of the workers, Demuth was never paid for her services
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On June 23, 1851 Helene Demuth gave birth to a boy believed by most scholars to have been sired by Karl Marx
Further down the article we see this:
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According to Terrell Carver, although it has been claimed since 1962 that Marx was the father of Helene Demuth's illegitimate son, "this is not well founded on the documentary materials available.
It is worth knowing that Terrell Carver is himself an avowed Marxist and professor of feminist thought, so I'm not sure I believe him.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:19 pm to DeltaDoc
I was seduced by Marxism in my early 20's; it's altruistic INTENT is "inescapable". That's not it's problem.
But now that Marxism/Contemporary Progressivism has deemed 'economic inequality' as the problem, and posited a fix...all they have to do is figure out how to cure PERSONAL MOTIVATIONAL INEQUALITY...and we got ourselves a sure shot at Societal Utopia!
Maybe Rolling Stone has some ideas.
But now that Marxism/Contemporary Progressivism has deemed 'economic inequality' as the problem, and posited a fix...all they have to do is figure out how to cure PERSONAL MOTIVATIONAL INEQUALITY...and we got ourselves a sure shot at Societal Utopia!
Maybe Rolling Stone has some ideas.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:08 pm to RCDfan1950
Marx's exploitation theory on labor is wrong. This was the foundational premise that he predicted the workers would get poorer thus leading to the supposed inevitability of the collapse of capitalism which of coarse never happened. Lenin noticed this fallacy in Marx's theory and attempted state socialism which of coarse was a catastrophe.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:17 pm to KissmyAxe
Rolling Stone sucks hind end. Scuse me Lord.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:31 pm to DeltaDoc
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Rolling Stone
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Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains,"
This is exactly what capitalism allows you to do in a free market system
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:18 pm to Tyrion Lannister
Marx wrote a critique of capitalism. If you read Marx you realize he was quite right about how capitalism works. The thing is that Marx believed the capitalism was morally wrong.
History has proven that he was right in how capitalism has developed. The only thing open for debate is whether or not capitalism is morally acceptable. Marx and Marxists know capitalism better than most capitalists. But capitalists believe that the results of capitalism are justifiable while Marxists do not.
History has proven that he was right in how capitalism has developed. The only thing open for debate is whether or not capitalism is morally acceptable. Marx and Marxists know capitalism better than most capitalists. But capitalists believe that the results of capitalism are justifiable while Marxists do not.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:22 pm to elprez00
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We spent 40 years fighting Communism while watching it fail miserably. And then after watching it fail, we decided to give it the old college try ourselves
The communism Stalin installed went against fundamental principles that Marx wrote about.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:23 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Marx wrote a critique of capitalism. If you read Marx you realize he was quite right about how capitalism works. The thing is that Marx believed the capitalism was morally wrong.
History has proven that he was right in how capitalism has developed. The only thing open for debate is whether or not capitalism is morally acceptable. Marx and Marxists know capitalism better than most capitalists. But capitalists believe that the results of capitalism are justifiable while Marxists do not.
This x's infinity.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:24 pm to RCDfan1950
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But now that Marxism/Contemporary Progressivism has deemed 'economic inequality' as the problem
Marx's definition of equality differs from yours, I'm sure.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:27 pm to Strannix
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It's insane, Communism's glaring defect is that it fails to account for the inescapable aspects of human nature.
And capitalism does?
In fact, Marx understood this issue, which is why he felt the structure of communism would override the human nature problem.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:37 pm to DeltaDoc
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That is true...we are not moving directly from a capitalist society to a communist society. However, we are moving closer to socialism with a hybrid of statism and capitalism sprinkled in as well.
You're talking about fascism, which is worse than any ism.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:41 pm to Sleeping Tiger
So we now have 2 avowed communists on board? Maybe you can provide a coherent argument as to how to eliminate human nature in a way that doesn't require an iron fist re-educating anyone who disagrees?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:46 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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And capitalism does?
Yes.
More than anything else we desire individual freedom and the right to reap the fruits of our labor for the benefit of ourselves and families.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 11:59 pm to DeltaDoc
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Today, in a world of both unheard-of wealth and abject poverty, where the richest 85 people have more wealth than the poorest 3 billion, the famous cry, "Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains," has yet to lose its potency
This right here just pisses me off... The worlds poverty level has shrank considerably because of capitalism and the destruction of Marxism.. What a farce that magazine has become
Posted on 2/1/14 at 12:26 am to SpidermanTUba
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Big business has been quite successful in busting up the unions over the past several decades. THe phrase has lost its potency. Big business wins - workers lose.
Workers lose with unions as well. I was in the teamsters for a while years ago. The union only cared about it's bottom line the same way the business does.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:22 am to Tyrion Lannister
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And capitalism does?
Yes.
More than anything else we desire individual freedom and the right to reap the fruits of our labor for the benefit of ourselves and families.
You said communism doesn't account for human nature, which is why it fails in reality.
Yet capitalism accounts for human nature by designing a system that more or less requires the individual to use negative aspects of human nature, greed, exploitation, and the like?
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:36 am to Sleeping Tiger
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You said communism doesn't account for human nature, which is why it fails in reality.
Yet capitalism accounts for human nature by designing a system that more or less requires the individual to use negative aspects of human nature, greed, exploitation, and the like?
How about innovation, creativity, perseverance, ingenuity, and faithfulness? Detractors of capitalism like yourself tend to throw negative terms out as if just because someone is successful and ends up being wealthy they did it through greed, exploitation, and dishonest behavior. That's not an accurate picture.
Posted on 2/1/14 at 1:41 am to blackrose890
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Maybe you can provide a coherent argument as to how to eliminate human nature in a way that doesn't require an iron fist re-educating anyone who disagree
Marx didn't believe in eliminating the bad side of human nature, he believed in a system that would eliminate opportunities for the negative aspects of human nature to shape society. I think you'd be surprised to learn the extent of democracy and individual freedom Marx wrote about.
The iron fist image comes from mad men, Stalin and Mussolini. Stalinism is a monstrous caricature of socialism, it goes directly against a number of fundamental beliefs of Marx. Not to mention Marx understood that socialism couldn't thrive when it begins in conditions of scarcity, which is exactly what Stalin did.
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