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re: Russia: Is History Repeating Itself? Those who ignore it...
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Does that make me a globalist, or just a wise capitalist?
Perhaps I should have said Global "New World Order" technocrat.
I understand your point.
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:18 am to Bwmdx
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Sounds like Europe needs to figure this out and leave us alone.
The last two times we adopted this attitude it resulted in us having to go and clean it up. It’s why we have been involved since WW2.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:21 am to bird35
Yes, we have always heard about Russia's warm water port needs.
However, Putin is not Stalin. Putin does not kill Christians. Could that be why he is so maligned in the press?
However, Putin is not Stalin. Putin does not kill Christians. Could that be why he is so maligned in the press?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:35 am to Bard
The Western Allies failure to beat the Russians to Berlin is one of the biggest failures of the 20th Century. The Russians should have never been allowed to keep Kaliningrad.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:38 am to sta4ever
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Are these Baltic states Russian speaking people?
Estonia and Latvia each have small Russian-speaking populations, but otherwise no, most of those three are culturally and linguistically non-Russian/Slavic. Latvians and Lithuanians are more closely related to Prussians and old Germans, and the Estonians are more Finnish/Scandinavian.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:41 am to kingbob
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He doesn’t need to annex Belarus.
Hitler didn't need to annex Austria, but he did and used similar reasoning.
I don't disagree that he (Putin) will keep Belarus as technically independent but it won't shock me if he changes his mind the moment he sees it as more desirable to have them back fully in the fold, nor will it shock me if they agree with little to no resistance.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:43 am to Bard
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I don't disagree that he (Putin) will keep Belarus as technically independent but it won't shock me if he changes his mind the moment he sees it as more desirable to have them back fully in the fold, nor will it shock me if they agree with little to no resistance.
If he is able to absorb Belarus, it will only be a matter of time before the rumbling starts re: Lithuanian/Polish concessions south of the Memel to create land access to Kaliningrad.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:48 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So now Putin's looking at the very real possibility of having an EU member, not only right on his border
Because he doesn't already have that?
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but also fully in control of his only warm water port at Sevastopol.
He already controls Sevatsopol. Whether Russia takes the rest of Ukraine or not doesn't change that (unless they somehow beat Russian forces our of Crimea and thus take it back).
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WTF is all this shite?
It's in the title of the thread. Go back and re-read it if you need help understanding context.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 11:58 am to Bard
Russia has no road or rail access to Kaliningrad nor Sevestapol without crossing through non-allied countries.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 12:00 pm to jcaz
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The last two times we adopted this attitude it resulted in us having to go and clean it up. It’s why we have been involved since WW2.
An interventionist foreign policy has destroyed this country. We have normalized the use of force abroad so that we're socialized to it here at home. We have accepted the Unitary Executive in order to evade Congress's sole war making powers. And our meddling causes more problems than it solves. If we really are a Republic, we cannot be an empire. If we want to make America great again, we cannot be a superpower.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 12:00 pm to Bard
frick Europe
Posted on 2/23/22 at 12:28 pm to kingbob
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Russia has no road or rail access to Kaliningrad nor Sevestapol without crossing through non-allied countries.
Kaliningrad, yes. Sevastopol, however, is near the southern tip of Crimea, it's part of what Russia annexed in 2014. The Crimean Bridge connects Kerch (on the peninsula) to Taman, Russia (it's actually two bridges, one for vehicular traffic and the other for railway).
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:01 pm to Indefatigable
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The Western Allies failure to beat the Russians to Berlin is one of the biggest failures of the 20th Century.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't so much that the Allies failed to "beat the Russians to Berlin" as much as Eastern Germany was given up at Yalta a month before Patton's 3rd Army crossed the Rhine.
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The Russians should have never been allowed to keep Kaliningrad.
There would be no "Kaliningrad" if the Russians hadn't stayed and kicked all those Prussians out. Kaliningrad is the best thing to ever happen to Konigsberg.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:05 pm to Bard
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Because he doesn't already have that?
Because he does (and nice use of Mercator to exaggerate that Artic borderline) doesn't mean he wants moar border with EU.
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He already controls Sevatsopol.
Well, that's kind of what's got everyone so excited now, isn't it? Russia invading Ukraine and all...
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It's in the title of the thread. Go back and re-read it if you need help understanding context.
I have re-read, and I still need help understanding the context of Lithuania in Ukraine - unless we're talking about the old Commonwealth with Poland.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So now Putin's looking at the very real possibility of having an EU member, not only right on his border, but also fully in control of his only warm water port at Sevastopol. WTF would any reasonable person expect him to do but to secure his strategic assets?
But he already has NATO/EU countries bordering his country….why is it different with Ukraine?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:16 pm to Bard
Russia doesn't need Kaliningrad. They have St Petersburg on the Baltic.
But it's a short trip fro, Belarus to Kaliningrad.
Putin has his deal with Xi and possibly with Bide.
Putin can have most of Europe. China has Asia and Africa.
Together they choke off America,
We have lost an ally to the north and our border to the south.
They are already walking in.
But it's a short trip fro, Belarus to Kaliningrad.
Putin has his deal with Xi and possibly with Bide.
Putin can have most of Europe. China has Asia and Africa.
Together they choke off America,
We have lost an ally to the north and our border to the south.
They are already walking in.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:20 pm to Bard
Yes history is one of my favorite subjects but,
still not our problem.
still not our problem.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:22 pm to Swazla
Why are you focks more interested in Putin designs than the designs of those who enslave you?
It's bizarre.
It's bizarre.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:24 pm to jcaz
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The last two times we adopted this attitude it resulted in us having to go and clean it up. It’s why we have been involved since WW2.
Yeah but that's just it, we didn't have to. We were talked into both world wars by a bunch of international bankers. And now look at us 77 years after "winning" the war our country is turning into a gay communist shithole. Maybe we should just mind our own business and worry about our own borders which are being invaded?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:26 pm to Seldom Seen
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still not our problem.
Wasn’t our problem in Europe in WWII either. Why were we there?
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