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re: Scarborough Is Mad As Hell And He's Not Going To Take It Anymore
Posted on 12/1/14 at 1:49 pm to Oenophile Brah
Posted on 12/1/14 at 1:49 pm to Oenophile Brah
Doesn't look like this to me from this decoder chart
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 1:51 pm to the808bass
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appeared to be dealing drugs
Appeared to be? Come on man, let's stick to facts and quit engaging in idle speculation and conjecture just to smear someone you don't like.
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was videotaping fights
What's your point? I'm guessing that it's pretty normal for teenagers pull out the camera phones whenever they see something going down at school and other places.
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had contraband in his locker from a home robbery
When I was in college, there were a couple of times that I bought things from other students without knowing where they came from. I wouldn't do that now due to better judgment and maturity, so unlless Martin was burglarizing homes humself, I would make much of this.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:02 pm to Hawkeye95
Using your chart, I count 5 witnesses with very similar testimony as DW.
# 10, 32, 34, 44, 44No.2.
The "hands up" portion is hard to judge as he was allegedly charging the officer being fired upon. I'm sure his hands were raised in some fashion, but that doesn't make him any less of a threat to Officer Wilson.
# 10, 32, 34, 44, 44No.2.
The "hands up" portion is hard to judge as he was allegedly charging the officer being fired upon. I'm sure his hands were raised in some fashion, but that doesn't make him any less of a threat to Officer Wilson.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:07 pm to Hawkeye95
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the slant the DA took
I think the DA, like many, knows that absent public outrage fostered by absolute lies, this case never goes to a grand jury. He was like, "you're going to force me to do this shite, don't be pissed at how I handle it".
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:12 pm to ShortyRob
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I think the DA, like many, knows that absent public outrage fostered by absolute lies, this case never goes to a grand jury. He was like, "you're going to force me to do this shite, don't be pissed at how I handle it".
the DA is a fricking idiot then. His handling of this case will be examined for years. he knew he was being watched, and he played the game to make sure there was no chance wilson was indicted. This is not going to be forgotten, and will haunt him for his career.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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he played the game to make sure there was no chance wilson was indicted
No, he played the game to ensure he had a solid case that he could win at trial. And he did not.
You do not indict simply for the sake of indicting. You do it to win.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:16 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Maybe he's a decent human who saw no reason to pile on Wilson when it was total bull shite. Maybe he's the type of person willing to take the personal beating rather than go the easy route and let Wilson be a scapegoat.
the DA is a fricking idiot then. His handling of this case will be examined for years. he knew he was being watched,
I suspect that nothing you said is lost on him. I suspect he knows that you are exactly right. And, I applaud him for not fricking Wilson to protect his own image.
We should hope for more people like that in positions of power, not less.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:17 pm to Wolfhound45
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No, he played the game to ensure he had a solid case that he could win at trial. And he did not.
You do not indict simply for the sake of indicting. You do it to win.
no, he never wanted to indict. This is why he gave the grand jury evidence and didn't push one way or another.
It was an unusual move by him, pretty much all the commentators agree on that.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:18 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:And under rational circumstances, he's have never even tried.
no, he never wanted to indict
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:19 pm to Hawkeye95
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no, he never wanted to indict.
Why indict if you cannot win? How can you not understand this?
He did his job. He presented the facts to grand jury and they decided they did not merit an indictment. Do you want him to mislead the grand jury instead? Withhold facts?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:23 pm to Hawkeye95
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the DA is a fricking idiot then
I think he's the only smart one in the room. He's said he didn't want to prosecute. Deduction - he was forced to do something he didn't think was right. Under pressure he got the GJ hearing and played using "rules" not seen very often see, kinda like a trick play.
He scored a touchdown and the other team is bitching on how he scored.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:24 pm to Wolfhound45
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Why indict if you cannot win? How can you not understand this?
Exactly. Under NORMAL circumstances, a DA would see this case and think, "no change in f'n hell I can win" and therefore, he'd never bring it to a GJ.
People are pissed that he didn't basically present the MSNBC version of events as if doing so would've made any sense given what he knew about his witnesses.
Sure, DAs typically go FOR the indictment but that's because NORMALLY, when they convene a GJ, they actually think they have a case.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:29 pm to Wolfhound45
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Why indict if you cannot win? How can you not understand this?
If he is going to fall to political pressure to present to a grand jury, he should do so in a manner consistent with other grand jury inquiries.
Not go outside the normal process. The variation from the normal process irritates me.
If there was never enough evidence to take to a grand jury, don't take it! But he didn't do that he went well I don't want to indict him, but I would get killed if I didn't do something so here I am going to make a mockery of the process to satisfy what I want.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:31 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Doing a GJ under circumstances where no one would normally do one irritates me.
Not go outside the normal process. The variation from the normal process irritates me.
I still APPLAUD the guy for NOT preserving himself at the expense of Wilson. He will take crap for this and, apparently, he values INTEGRITY over the crap he'll take.
We should wish was common in politics rather than the unicorn he apparently is.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:31 pm to trackfan
Spot on about everything. His opinion on Trayvon really didn't bother me.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:34 pm to trackfan
quote:I don't fully agree with him on the TM case, but, I also don't disagree that GZ really aint a great guy who anyone should hang their hat on. I can live with the fact that he sees the entirety of the case differently than me because he's not approaching it from sort of irrational stance that says if you don't support TM, you're racist like some did.
though I'm sure most of the folks here won't appreciate his take on Martin-Zimmerman. Here's the video link:
People disagree in life. That's not a big deal.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:35 pm to Hawkeye95
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Not go outside the normal process.
What, like presenting the evidence?
What is a grand jury supposed to do but review evidence and determine if there is probable cause for an indictment? Was he supposed to withhold evidence that did not favor Officer Wilson? He laid out the facts, interviewed witnesses (to include the subject of the inquiry) and they returned their judgment.
No. True. Bill.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:42 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Meh. NORMALLY, when a prosecutor goes to a GJ, he basically presents the case ONLY in the best possible light for the prosecution but as I've pointed out, NORMALLY, tha't cause the DA actually believes in the case and WANTS a trial.
What is a grand jury supposed to do but review evidence and determine if there is probable cause for an indictment?
People like Hawkeye being pissed the DA didn't do what he normally would do in front of the GJ miss the point that NORMALLY, he wouldn't have even been in front of the GJ. Normally, when he saw a shite case, he'd just call it a shite case and drive on.
We've reached a retarded point in America where blacks seem to think that white people are obligated to stand trial based upon public opinion no matter how shitty the case.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:45 pm to Hawkeye95
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No thinking person believes Wilson was in the wrong, yet we have this narrative that there are 2 equally valid perspectives. I think a lot of "thinking" people have a problem with the process, the slant the DA took, and the over-reliance on wilson's testimony. It looks a bit of a sham to me
Did you listen to the DA's whole presentation of the Grand Jury decision?
Did you read any of the Grand Jury release of testimony?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:51 pm to trackfan
A couple points --
First, this whole narrative about how "despicable" it was to leave him "lying in the street for four hours" is complete bullshite. If they would have removed his body any sooner, there were have been riots because the racist scumbag poverty pimps would be yelling "coverup" and "whitewashing" the scene of the crime before an investigation could be done. The cops were in a no-win situation with respect to that.
As far as any "disparity" between whites and blacks in how they interact with police, its almost exclusively the result of the pure FACT that blacks commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of the crime in America.
Do you really think that cops (black or white) can just PRETEND like that is not the case when they're either patrolling a black neighborhood or a white neighborhood? Do you really believe that a cop shouldn't feel safer in Old Metairie than he would in the "Lowa 9". And, conversely, do you really believe that the same cop (white or black) shouldn't be more tense and "on guard" in the "Lowa 9"? If so you should seek serious professional help because you are both delusional and completely out-of-touch with common f*cking sense, basic human nature, and reality.
As far as Mika, from the very beginning you could tell that she was EXTREMELY uncomfortable going off from the White House/Messiah talking points. She reminds me of that new commercial about people never going off script -- until a new Audi pulls off and takes the main character away and "off script". The Kool-Aid drinking morons just can't comprehend how someone could possible go "off script". Mika just can't fathom that ANYONE could defy and not follow the talking points of her Dear Leader. It made her EXTREMELY uncomfortable.
First, this whole narrative about how "despicable" it was to leave him "lying in the street for four hours" is complete bullshite. If they would have removed his body any sooner, there were have been riots because the racist scumbag poverty pimps would be yelling "coverup" and "whitewashing" the scene of the crime before an investigation could be done. The cops were in a no-win situation with respect to that.
As far as any "disparity" between whites and blacks in how they interact with police, its almost exclusively the result of the pure FACT that blacks commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of the crime in America.
Do you really think that cops (black or white) can just PRETEND like that is not the case when they're either patrolling a black neighborhood or a white neighborhood? Do you really believe that a cop shouldn't feel safer in Old Metairie than he would in the "Lowa 9". And, conversely, do you really believe that the same cop (white or black) shouldn't be more tense and "on guard" in the "Lowa 9"? If so you should seek serious professional help because you are both delusional and completely out-of-touch with common f*cking sense, basic human nature, and reality.
As far as Mika, from the very beginning you could tell that she was EXTREMELY uncomfortable going off from the White House/Messiah talking points. She reminds me of that new commercial about people never going off script -- until a new Audi pulls off and takes the main character away and "off script". The Kool-Aid drinking morons just can't comprehend how someone could possible go "off script". Mika just can't fathom that ANYONE could defy and not follow the talking points of her Dear Leader. It made her EXTREMELY uncomfortable.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 3:12 pm
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