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re: Science is debunking itself again
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:55 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:55 pm to RobbBobb
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January 12, 2022 Study Challenges Evolutionary Theory That DNA Mutations Are Random
Did you read the study? We know the answer.
DNA mutations are randomly generated due to errors copying DNA. Mutations in the DNA of an organism are not randomly distributed. There’s a certain part of our DNA, say about 80-90% of it, that is absolute junk and performs no functions. Because mutations in those sequences do not have negative or positive consequences, they are not “error checked” by the organism’s cellular functions. The functional part of the DNA ends up with less mutations than the non-functional part. Try to keep up.
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New Model for Human Evolution Suggests Homo sapiens Arose From Multiple Closely Related Populations
I feel like we’ve known this for 10 or 20 years. I have 2% Neanderthal DNA. This is not a new revelation.
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It would take a lot more billions of years to have gone from chimp to Homo Sapien, right?
Pan (chimps and bonobos) are separate species from each other and Homo sapiens. Homo did not “gone from chimp”, but rather the two species share a common ancestor that lived about 6 million years ago. This is not a hypothesis or a guess, but rather a fact based on basic geology, paleontology, archaeology, radiometric dating, and genetic analysis.
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these studies prove there were no big leaps in evolution.
No proponent of science will make such an assertion. We agree there are no “big leaps”. No representative of one species ever gave birth to or created a totally new species. We as humans give population groups of organisms the designation of species when the population no longer can create viable offspring with their parent or sister populations.
Commentary
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The new finding does not disprove or discredit the theory of evolution, and the researchers said randomness still plays a big role in mutations. But the study does show that these genetic alterations are more complex than scientists previously believed.
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:57 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Gravity. Is. Not. A. Force.
Jesus Christ…
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How is it anger to point out the historical development of monotheistic belief in Judaism and Christianity?
He is deluded and has a warped sense of reality. You won’t ever get a coherent logical response from him. Waste of time.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:17 pm to Flats
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Not only are scientists normal people with the same flaws your average gas station clerk
Perhaps, but the flaws are not randomly distributed. The gas station clerk on average will be less intelligent and less skilled at critical thinking and observing and testing natural phenomena.
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scientism
Understanding nature and our reality using the scientific method is not a religion. That won’t prevent you from trying to project your flaws, and from trying to equate the scientific method with blind faith.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Not wishing it on you bro. Trying to warn you. But it always amuses me the people who call God a liar want to tell us what being a Christian is.
Well, I do know that Jesus himself told us not to judge others, but hey, maybe you know better than he does. Carry on.
I think Jesus was warning His followers to be careful passing judgment on others lest you be judged with the same standards.
Jesus wasn’t telling a person who is living a righteous life and walking in the Light to refrain from judging others in a particular matter. Jesus was plainly saying if you’re an unrepentant sinner you have no authority to judge another lest you be judged.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:29 pm to Squirrelmeister
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The functional part of the DNA ends up with less mutations than the non-functional part. Try to keep up
Lulz
You didnt even know this study existed until today. And now you are tap dancing around the fact that natural selection and random gene mutation cant be the forces behind macroevolution because the earth hasnt been around long enough
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This is not a hypothesis or a guess, but rather a fact based on basic geology, paleontology, archaeology, radiometric dating, and genetic analysis.
Lulz again
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Many hominid species are close relatives, but not human ancestors. Most went extinct without giving rise to other species. Some of the extinct hominids known today, however, are almost certainly direct ancestors of Homo sapiens. While the total number of species that existed and the relationships among them is still unknown
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“We currently have no ancient DNA from Africa that even comes near the timeframes of our evolution—a process that is likely to have largely taken place between 800,000 and 300,000 years ago,” says Eleanor Scerri, an archaeological scientist at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Germany.
Yeah, its not fact based. Its just an unproven theory, like genes randomly mutating
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:30 pm to TrueTiger
So if there is a conspiracy by scientist to manipulate science to further an agenda why release opposing data or admit when current models fail?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:43 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Understanding nature and our reality using the scientific method is not a religion.
You don’t know what scientism means? Why am I not surprised?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:47 pm to Flats
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He may be arrogant or stupid enough to believe this one particular field (on one side only, of course) is populated by 100% objective, perfect humans who remain completely neutral in their studies and conclusions. He's wrong.
Facts don’t care about your feelings, or your delusions.
Biological evolution of species through natural selection and genetic drift is the most well supported theory in all of science, with more overwhelming evidence than gravity.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:54 pm to RobbBobb
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You didnt even know this study existed until today.
I didn’t. You’re right on that. That’s about all you’re right about. The paper taught me nothing new of any significance, and honestly the paper does make sense. It also doesn’t disprove evolution. You are getting your information from nuts on the internet are promoting a false narrative. Big surprise.
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And now you are tap dancing around the fact that natural selection and random gene mutation cant be the forces behind macroevolution because the earth hasnt been around long enough
False. And the study says no such thing.
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Yeah, its not fact based. Its just an unproven theory, like genes randomly mutating
It’s sad that you didn’t pay attention in 9th grade science class. There’s literally no such thing as an “unproven theory”.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:55 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Well, I do know that Jesus himself told us not to judge others
Popular misconception
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:58 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Jesus Christ…
Sorry you hate science?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:59 pm to Flats
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You don’t know what scientism means?
It’s a term coined by deluded religious extremists to conflate science with religion. Similar to “evolutionism”. Pure idiocy.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:23 pm to Squirrelmeister
I feel like you're learning your points as you go. Is this thread scratching your research itch? How many windows you got up in the background?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:38 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Sorry you hate science?
Not a fan of Newton? More of an Einstein guy? Gravity is less understood by than biological evolution. General relativity doesn’t explain how gravity works near or within black holes.
For most normal people, Newtons universal gravitation equation works in most situations. Split hairs if you will. If it’s not a force, it’s an interaction.
At some point, someone may correct or fix relativity, or perhaps debunk it.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:57 pm to Squirrelmeister
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It’s a term coined by deluded religious extremists to conflate science with religion.
I think the other guy was correct; you’re furiously looking things up as they’re mentioned. You have no idea what you’re talking about regarding scientism.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:20 am to Squirrelmeister
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Not a fan of Newton? More of an Einstein guy? Gravity is less understood by than biological evolution. General relativity doesn’t explain how gravity works near or within black holes. For most normal people, Newtons universal gravitation equation works in most situations. Split hairs if you will. If it’s not a force, it’s an interaction. At some point, someone may correct or fix relativity, or perhaps debunk it.
I’m a fan of both Newton and Einstein. You are correct, given our everyday conditions here on earth, it can be treated as a force and calculations will be “close enough.” But that doesn’t mean it is a force. I don’t think GR will be debunked as much as the next genius in line will reconcile it with quantum mechanics.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:29 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Gravity. Is. Not. A. Force.
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Sorry you hate science?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:29 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Another believer in "spooky action at a distance." How sad.
Who is this Roody-Poo?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:49 am to Squirrelmeister
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It’s sad that you didn’t pay attention in 9th grade science class. There’s literally no such thing as an “unproven theory”.
Youre beyond help. The very definition of theory is an "unproved assumption", so if the assumption behind the theory is accepted as unproven, then the theory itself is unproven. Yet you posted a paragraph about how what you believe is a fact. Heres a reminder
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This is not a hypothesis or a guess, but rather a fact based on basic geology, paleontology, archaeology, radiometric dating, and genetic analysis.
Furthermore, I dont think you can read
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And the study says no such thing.
Both studies say the EXACT SAME THING. Here are the quotes from the authors, not generalizations from a web site editor
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DNA mutations are not random as previously thought, and changes our understanding of evolution
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This new research changes the origin of species.
I dont know how much more clear the studies can make it for you? What you thought you knew about evolution, has changed, in just 2 years
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