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re: shite going down in France - Macron dissolves Parliament and calls for new elections
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:05 am to LuckyTiger
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:05 am to LuckyTiger
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My only guess is he expects it to get much worse. Call a snap election now while you still have a chance of clinging to power and reset the clock.
I think he is doing it to force Les Republicains into a coalition with his party, since National Rally likely cannot win a majority of seats and will struggle building any type of coalition.
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:07 am to RaoulDuke504
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They didn’t get majority but the right made big gains. They get worse propaganda than we do in terms of political party. They actively label opposition parties as extremist a ban them for office.
America is well on the way to looking at that scenario above and saying "hold my beer".
They're about to jail Trump to try and prevent him from retaking office, and are exploring a myriad other options for disqualifying him.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:07 am to Indefatigable
This is a common and essential part of a Parliamentary system, something that Americans have a hard time understanding.
This happens almost every time the party in power loses bigly.
It gives the other party the chance to win and from their own government.
This happens almost every time the party in power loses bigly.
It gives the other party the chance to win and from their own government.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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Usually they do this when they're in a position of strength, however. I don't get why he's doing it now.
Actually this is quite common in this situation.
The alleged reason is to give the "winning" party the chance to consolidate and win, and form their own government.
Allegedly.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:16 am to Fun Bunch
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The alleged reason is to give the "winning" party the chance to consolidate and win, and form their own government.
With a machiavellian twist in this instance, I believe. Macron wants to demonstrate that RN cannot do so and weaken Le Pen before 2027.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:17 am to LuckyTiger
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Macron decided to take a warmonger stance as President of France. He’s constantly pushing to send more French troops into Ukraine. It’s a curious stance for Paris. Perhaps he thought it would appeal to the right wing but the right wing in France is not pro war.
France’s budget deficit and debt has spiraled worse under Macron, fueled by the unwise decisions of the sanctions regime. Cost of living for average French citizens has exploded. Crime is rising. And he spends most of his time talking about Ukraine and staying on good terms with China.
Sounds oddly familiar.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:18 am to LuckyTiger
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For decades, Les Republicains stood around and wrung their hands. They have done nothing of substance for their voters. So their voters have abandoned them. They are close to extinction.
I like to think this is the future of the GOP.
Because we need something better here than the GOP.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:20 am to LuckyTiger
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For decades, Les Republicains stood around and wrung their hands. They have done nothing of substance for their voters. So their voters have abandoned them. They are close to extinction.
I like to think this is the future of the GOP.
Because we need something better here than the GOP.
Some of this is true, but instead of trying to replace it with effective right wing voices, "we" decided to replace it with Left of Center populism.
So now we have 2 left of Center parties.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:24 am to Fun Bunch
We also don't really have the framework for a third party like the European nations do, our parties just morph and occasionally change names, and they haven't even done that in a long time. Third parties cannot gain a foothold here, the electoral and political infrastructure deck is too stacked against them.
Only relative to late 20th Century American parties. Both would be squarely center in Europe, with the GOP probably drifting into 'far right' over there.
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So now we have 2 left of Center parties.
Only relative to late 20th Century American parties. Both would be squarely center in Europe, with the GOP probably drifting into 'far right' over there.
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:28 am to Indefatigable
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Only relative to late 20th Century American parties. Both would be squarely center in Europe, with the GOP probably drifting into 'far right' over there.
This is true but we are what we are, and we aren't them. Hell there is talk of Alberta being so different and so much more Conservative than the rest of Canada that they want to join the US. By Canadian standards they are conservative. By American standards they would be one of the more liberal states.
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We also don't really have the framework for a third party like the European nations do, our parties just morph and occasionally change names, and they haven't even done that in a long time. Third parties cannot gain a foothold here, the electoral and political infrastructure deck is too stacked against them.
The parties simply absorb the platforms of whatever 3rd parties routinely emerge.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:31 am to Fun Bunch
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Some of this is true, but instead of trying to replace it with effective right wing voices, "we" decided to replace it with Left of Center populism. So now we have 2 left of Center parties.
Do you really consider the Republican Party to be populist?
Do you really believe that the GOP actually views Trump as a true member? Or simply a figurehead?
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:31 am to udtiger
If he still manages to win this election despite getting thumped like this, then we’ll know for sure that the shite is rigged
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:34 am to Boodis Man
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If he still manages to win this election despite getting thumped like this, then we’ll know for sure that the shite is rigged
Eh...as others have said, when rubber hits the road, Le Pen's party has always faltered.
Macron should be safe until 2027, b/c he's the President (and not PM). France's government is different than most Western European Parliamentary systems, b/c their President has a lot of power and isn't just the government representative for international affairs like most European countries.
IIRC, this is b/c DeGaule designed it this way.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:34 am to Boodis Man
Wow its almost like importing in millions of Muslims who don't work and just leech off of welfare while committing violent crimes at rates more than 10x of the natives was gonna cause backlash
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:36 am to jimmy the leg
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Do you really consider the Republican Party to be populist?
It is now. Trump controls every aspect of it. His daughter in law who was in no way qualified for the role at all controls the RNC. One of his closest advisors is also one of the 3 senior executives at the RNC.
The Speaker of the House is his guy, he had by far the most endorsements in Congress, and is acting as the kingmaker now, endorsing candidates to specifically take Conservatives out of the party.
The party has certainly shifted left, and has become more of the working man's party. There's no central tenet, its basically whatever position he decides to take on any given day is now the Republican position.
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Do you really believe that the GOP actually views Trump as a true member? Or simply a figurehead?
They have "let" him take over the entire party. Even if they believe he is not a member or a figurehead, its too late. The party is his now
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Le Pen's party has always faltered.
She's got a hard ceiling between 35-40% of the national vote in France, and that will keep her from ever winning a Presidential election with their two-round system.
Her twink protege seems to be much more popular than she is and could change that if she has the sense to let him take over.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:44 am to Fun Bunch
And before feathers get ruffled, I am giving Trump credit here.
He completely took over 1 of our 2 political parties and is remaking it completely in his image.
I don't like it because I grew up listening to Rush and believe in small government values, but with Rush dead, that might be dead as a movement in America too.
Its incredibly hard to do something like that, and the people that are able to do that are written in history forever. If it holds past a 2024 defeat or another term and beyond 2028, its a remarkable achievement.
He completely took over 1 of our 2 political parties and is remaking it completely in his image.
I don't like it because I grew up listening to Rush and believe in small government values, but with Rush dead, that might be dead as a movement in America too.
Its incredibly hard to do something like that, and the people that are able to do that are written in history forever. If it holds past a 2024 defeat or another term and beyond 2028, its a remarkable achievement.
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