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re: Shocking New Evidence on Tylenol and Harm
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:49 am to cypher
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:49 am to cypher
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The shift to a spectrum model allowed for a more encompassing definition of autism, recognizing a wider range of presentations and support needs that might not have been captured by older, narrower criteria.
And it had a financial incentive. Let's not leave that out.
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Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:51 am to TigerDoc
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but in the macro sense, you can get measurable net harms (more people hurt from making health choices
People do dumb shite with their choices every single day. We value the fact that it's a choice, not that people will always take the wisest path. We know they won't.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:54 am to TigerDoc
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the paradox about these things is that in the micro case that makes sense (more info about abstract risk x is better), but in the macro sense, you can get measurable net harms (more people hurt from making health choices to avoid x when they end up choosing y & z which they also don't understand but are actually riskier to them and their child)
Got you. I hope AI + physician oversight will give us the best personalized medical advice at scale ASAP.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:00 am to TigerDoc
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yeah, that's a major issue. That statement warns pregnant women about Tylenol but doesn’t say what to do if they get a high fever. Untreated fever in pregnancy can definitely cause complications like preterm labor or even harm the baby. Tylenol is the only approved treatment for this indication. Alternatives are more risky. What should women do? Leaving that part out is like telling people not to wear seatbelts because they may cause bruises, without mentioning how to avoid car crash harms.
What percentage of pregnant women get a high fever that requires Tylenol?
Very small. Most pregnant women take Tylenol for aches and pains, like most people do. I get it, when I wake up every morning I usually take 1000mg of Tylenol because I’m older and beat up physically.
And if you have a “high fever”, you need to be getting cultures drawn to find the source and treating the issue.
Feeling like you have a bug and having a temperature of 99.7 isn’t a high fever. But in case of a high fever taking Tylenol a couple of times while getting other treatment shouldn’t be as much of an issue, seems like the problems may be arising with frequent use.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:03 am to SallysHuman
Another study shows....
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:07 am to riverdiver
I don’t get this argument. So we shouldn’t tell the public that this connection exists because mom might get a fever? Or is he arguing a study showing this connection must also offer safer alternatives to pain/fever relief?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:15 am to riverdiver
Right. And if you watched the press conference, Trump even acknowledged in extreme cases mothers should take it but only in consultation with their doctor. All of the medical people that spoke said this too. Trump was more aggressive about avoiding Tylenol.
IMO, we needed a bold statement like this so that people realize how risky it is. Had they talked a lot about the edge cases were it’s acceptable to take it, then the larger message would have been lost on a lot of people.
IMO, we needed a bold statement like this so that people realize how risky it is. Had they talked a lot about the edge cases were it’s acceptable to take it, then the larger message would have been lost on a lot of people.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:16 am to SaintsTiger
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Had they talked a lot about the edge cases were it’s acceptable to take it, then the larger message would have been lost on a lot of people.
Good point.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:17 am to Vacherie Saint
My takeaway inference is that high grade, dangerous fever, they can take it a minimum effective dose.
Run of the mill aches and pains or low grade fever, absolutely not.
Run of the mill aches and pains or low grade fever, absolutely not.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:20 am to Lizardman2
I wonder why kids are so sickly these days. I am 45 and no one I grew up with had peanut allergies or any other major allergies in general. They served us peanut butter sandwiches often for lunch or before football games. Can't do that today.
I was born in '79 and vaccinated with the vaccination schedule out at that time. We have added a ton of vaccines since then.
There are people who claim the vaccines also make kids more sickly is why I am saying this.
I was born in '79 and vaccinated with the vaccination schedule out at that time. We have added a ton of vaccines since then.
There are people who claim the vaccines also make kids more sickly is why I am saying this.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:29 am to SaintsTiger
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IMO, we needed a bold statement like this so that people realize how risky it is.
So how risky is it?
The studies the admin is citing show a correlation but not necessarily a causation, correct?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:42 am to JohnnyKilroy
Well, you can’t have causation without correlation.
I read a quote from the head of the Harvard School of Public Health that showed there’s a clear association between the two. I didn’t read the studies. I trust that the joint task force of NIH, CDC, and others did.
Actual FDA Guidance
September 22, 2025
Notice to Physicians on the Use of Acetaminophen During Pregnancy
In recent years, evidence has accumulated suggesting that the use of acetaminophen by pregnant women may be associated with an increased risk of neurological conditions such as autism and ADHD in children. Some studies have described that the risk may be most pronounced when
acetaminophen is taken chronically throughout pregnancy to childbirth.
These concerns may be magnified by the fact that a very young child’s liver may still be developing and thus a child’s ability to metabolize the drug may be limited.
To be clear, while an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the
scientific literature. The association is an ongoing area of scientific debate and clinicians should be aware of the issue in their clinical decision-making, especially given that most short-term fevers in pregnant women and young children do not require medication.
In the spirit of patient safety and prudent medicine, clinicians should consider minimizing the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy for routine low-grade fevers. This consideration should also be balanced with the fact that acetaminophen is the safest over-the-counter alternative in
pregnancy among all analgesics and antipyretics; aspirin and ibuprofen have well-documented adverse impacts on the fetus.
I read a quote from the head of the Harvard School of Public Health that showed there’s a clear association between the two. I didn’t read the studies. I trust that the joint task force of NIH, CDC, and others did.
Actual FDA Guidance
September 22, 2025
Notice to Physicians on the Use of Acetaminophen During Pregnancy
In recent years, evidence has accumulated suggesting that the use of acetaminophen by pregnant women may be associated with an increased risk of neurological conditions such as autism and ADHD in children. Some studies have described that the risk may be most pronounced when
acetaminophen is taken chronically throughout pregnancy to childbirth.
These concerns may be magnified by the fact that a very young child’s liver may still be developing and thus a child’s ability to metabolize the drug may be limited.
To be clear, while an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the
scientific literature. The association is an ongoing area of scientific debate and clinicians should be aware of the issue in their clinical decision-making, especially given that most short-term fevers in pregnant women and young children do not require medication.
In the spirit of patient safety and prudent medicine, clinicians should consider minimizing the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy for routine low-grade fevers. This consideration should also be balanced with the fact that acetaminophen is the safest over-the-counter alternative in
pregnancy among all analgesics and antipyretics; aspirin and ibuprofen have well-documented adverse impacts on the fetus.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:48 am to Sp0728
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Liberals will be on tik tok taking 10 at a time while saying “He’s lying again. I can take all these and still be fine”
we can only hope
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:59 am to SallysHuman
The spectrum of autism is so wide that I have trouble believing many findings related to it at all. To me its illogical that something can be so crippling that a person can't live on their own with it, to the other end where they are essentially a genius with some quirky behavior.
Even people diagnosed with it decades ago before they broadened the definition didn't always have it. There are a lot of cases of people being told their kid is autistic when they actually have something like Angelman Syndrome, which is a genetic issue you can actually test for. I've personally seen several cases where someone's son or daughter is diagnosed with Angelman in their 30's or 40's after being told they are autistic their entire lives.
Even people diagnosed with it decades ago before they broadened the definition didn't always have it. There are a lot of cases of people being told their kid is autistic when they actually have something like Angelman Syndrome, which is a genetic issue you can actually test for. I've personally seen several cases where someone's son or daughter is diagnosed with Angelman in their 30's or 40's after being told they are autistic their entire lives.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 9:01 am
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:05 am to SallysHuman
Everyone relax.
War Room just played a MSNBC clip featuring Dr Vin Gupta and he says the White House and Bobby Kennedy are FOS, there are no credible data showing Tylenol is unsafe for pregnant women or the unborn.
We have to believe Dr Vin Gupta, he's on MSNBC......right?
War Room just played a MSNBC clip featuring Dr Vin Gupta and he says the White House and Bobby Kennedy are FOS, there are no credible data showing Tylenol is unsafe for pregnant women or the unborn.
We have to believe Dr Vin Gupta, he's on MSNBC......right?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:07 am to 4cubbies
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Considering the nearly ubiquitous use of Tylenol at some point during pregnancy, common sense tells me that the prevalence of autism would be much, much higher if this link was conclusive.
The prevalence of autism has skyrocketed, how have you missed that?
I’m not talking about over diagnosing hyperactive or pain in the butt kids and calling them autistic, I’m talking just severe cases.
My wife spent 25 years working with severe autistic kids at the Medical University. These are kids who will never live independently, can get violent at the flip of a switch, and can be very hard to deal with. She wrote policies/procedures for how to deal with them, reduce stimuli, bring them in/out of the facility using certain accesses, etc.
She lived it, and dealt with it, the numbers of severe kids grew exponentially during her time.
Is Tylenol the smoking gun? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it contributes in a percentage of cases, maybe combined with some other ad yet unknown variable it magnifies that variable, it’s going to take real research to figure it out.
If there’s a casual relationship with Tylenol and autism, and lowering the use drops the prevalence 5-10%, is it worth it? Absolutely.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:11 am to SallysHuman
this isnt really knew info...tylenol should have never been approved in the first place. corruption is the only reason it was.
can still be taken the way it was intended safely but people think you can pop them daily, when drinking and all kinds of other shite.
but yea overall....pretty damn terrible for you.
can still be taken the way it was intended safely but people think you can pop them daily, when drinking and all kinds of other shite.
but yea overall....pretty damn terrible for you.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:11 am to SallysHuman
Muh "NO EVIDENCE." "BASELESS CLAIMS." "FALSE." 
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:16 am to SallysHuman
Holy shite. A Google search. Thanks for conducting such diligent research!
Posted on 9/23/25 at 9:19 am to Patato Salad
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Holy shite. A Google search. Thanks for conducting such diligent research!
Are you retarded?
Wait, lemme go ask google... brb.
Google confirmed- you are, indeed, retarded.
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