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re: Shooting down drones on the battlefield
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:52 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:52 am to 50_Tiger
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Source for this?
There's no defense for this as this is in application, functionally retarded.
Maybe you need to learn some history of a 'functionally retarded' application using kilometers of wire
Tow missile
The TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) missile is an American anti-tank missile system. It consists of a guided missile and a launcher that can be operated from various vehicles, such as the Humvee and Bradley IFV, as well as from ground-mounted positions.
Key Features
Guidance system: Wire-guided, with a command-link wire connecting the missile to the launcher
Optics: The launcher initiates, tracks, and controls the flight of the missile using optical signals
Warhead: Permanent launch assembly/tube with optics and electronics attached, and a separate disposable tube containing the ready missile
Range: Effective range varies depending on the specific variant, but generally ranges from 800 to 3,750 meters (2,625 to 12,300 feet)
Speed: The missile’s speed is approximately 230-240 meters per second (760-790 feet per second)
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Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:54 am to MasterDigger
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Maybe you need to learn some history of a 'functionally retarded' application using kilometers of wire
Tow missile
The TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) missile is an American anti-tank missile system. It consists of a guided missile and a launcher that can be operated from various vehicles, such as the Humvee and Bradley IFV, as well as from ground-mounted positions.
Key Features
Guidance system: Wire-guided, with a command-link wire connecting the missile to the launcher
Optics: The launcher initiates, tracks, and controls the flight of the missile using optical signals
Warhead: Permanent launch assembly/tube with optics and electronics attached, and a separate disposable tube containing the ready missile
Range: Effective range varies depending on the specific variant, but generally ranges from 800 to 3,750 meters (2,625 to 12,300 feet)
Speed: The missile’s speed is approximately 230-240 meters per second (760-790 feet per second)
So you are equating a drone which is slow to a missile now?
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:55 am to Trevaylin
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12 gauge , full choke, 3 inch shells, single ought buck shot, good for 80-90 yards.
Would simple birdshot not be effective enough against these things?
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:57 am to Marquesa
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This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 10:58 am to Marquesa
Jamming is the best defense
Secondary is aa
The drones will be out of range and moving too fast for reliable shotgun hits.
Mass drone on drone warfare is the future and missile warfare to take out control nodules and supply dumps
Secondary is aa
The drones will be out of range and moving too fast for reliable shotgun hits.
Mass drone on drone warfare is the future and missile warfare to take out control nodules and supply dumps
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:09 am to MasterDigger
A TOW missile is a line of sight weapon. A drone is not so the fiber optic probably won’t work well
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:11 am to Marquesa
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Amazed at the lack of imagination. You know, they used to fire TOW antitankmissles, - guded by wires. And those buggers put a lot more stress on a wire than a slow moving drone.
How soon people forget or just didn't know about our own TOW missiles. Bradleys had them in Desert Storm IIRC.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:19 am to Y.A. Tittle
distance, distance, distance
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:22 am to 50_Tiger
You ever heard of Fly By Wire, professor?
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:36 am to Night Vision
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Focused EMP.
Just listened to a Shawn Ryan podcast last week with Joe Lonsdale, his company has developed this technology. This guy is pretty impressive for 42 years old. I can’t link it on my work IPad but will try to edit later and include it.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:45 am to Marquesa
When this all started, I thought they may start giving these out as sidearms. Carries .410 shotgun shells. If you beefed this thing up and doubled the brass length to hold twice the powder, I bet you could get a good spread out to 100m or so, get some pellets in the blades and down a drone.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:47 am to Marquesa
So essentially, it’s a drone attached to fiber for a line of site attack. I don’t think drone is the right term for what this actually is.
A drone allows for full movement. This won’t allow that due to the fiber eventually weighing the “drone” down, or the fiber tangling in a tree, power lines, etc.
They need to use a different term for this setup.
A drone allows for full movement. This won’t allow that due to the fiber eventually weighing the “drone” down, or the fiber tangling in a tree, power lines, etc.
They need to use a different term for this setup.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:49 am to POTUS2024
instead of going to. a 7-8inch long 410 cartridge, why not just use a 20, 16 or 12 gauge standard
Posted on 12/28/24 at 11:49 am to Marquesa
Honestly, someone needs to invent the net guns that Scooby Doo and the Gang used to catch villains. Knock them straight down.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:43 pm to MasterDigger
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Maybe you need to learn some history of a 'functionally retarded' application using kilometers of wire
Fiber optic isn't wire. It's basically tubing. Usually glass. Tho some are plastic.
And that's what makes us dubious. Myself especially after seeing pics on the articles I just looked up about this.
Fiber has inherent flaws. It's stiff, it cannot be bent past a certain angle, or it cracks or breaks, it also can be made even more brittle by cold exposure.
Now the issues with the article and pics.
Let's start with the fiber optic in the pic. 1) It's on a small spool. Nope, it would break the fiber.
2) There is no insulation on it to contain the light waves to the fiber tubing. Or to prevent corruption from outside light. This is required for fiber optic communication.
3) There is only one spool. Fiber optic line can only carry one signal per line. You have to have a second line for two way communication. One for in, one for out. And that's just basic function. If you increase function, you have to increase the number of tubes.
The pics show a single line spool of... Something. And it's not fiber optic.
I'm not saying the tech is fake. It's doable. But the pics in the articles are misleading at best.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 1:57 pm to I Love Bama
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I like this but how do you direct it at 100 coming at you at the same time?
You don't have to hit them. Simply interrupt the signal to the point that the data being transmitted is corrupted.
So you simply blanket the air around them with conflicting energy waves. Or blanket the air between the mobile devices, and their controllers.
In simpler terms, I've seen people do something similar with their home internet networks.
Placing devices that give off radiation (like a microwave) between their devices and modem/router.
Or wireless phones operating at the 2.5 frequency, which they are also using on their modem/router.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 2:04 pm to Marquesa
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Wouldn't a wide spread shotgun be a more effective weapon on the fiield. I'm seeing Ukrainian drones chasing down Russian and Norks down - virtually landing on them before they blow up. I don't care if they ever find a a solutin, but at some point, US soliders will be facing the same issue. What do you guys think?
During Vietnam, the US had attachments for attaching under barrel shotguns to the AR platform. Just like a grenade launcher.
Granted, those were pumps.
Tho depending on the action of the semi auto being used, it would be easy to start fielding those attachments again.
Posted on 12/28/24 at 2:11 pm to Trevaylin
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12 gauge , full choke, 3 inch shells, single ought buck shot, good for 80-90 yards.
If it was me, I'd probably go birdshot, no choke. For a bigger cloud of lead. Or even half choke, if I wanted to keep the pattern size smaller for longer range.
But 20 + smaller projectiles vs 7-9 9mm sized ones increases my chances of downing it, in my mind.
I'd damn sure make certain my semi shotgun would fire the birdshot rounds reliably first, tho.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 2:27 pm to XxxSpooky1
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So essentially, it’s a drone attached to fiber for a line of site attack. I don’t think drone is the right term for what this actually is.
Ummmm...
If you spend a bit more $$$ and buy drones with navigation cameras in them, piloting them is about the same as playing 1st person flight sim video games. As far as navigation, I mean.
This post was edited on 12/28/24 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/28/24 at 2:29 pm to Marquesa
Arm hundreds of drones with a single shotgun shell each and program them as drone hunters.
After taking their shot they return to be reloaded.
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