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re: Sickening comments from Obama during his West Point commencement speech
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:29 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:29 pm to monsterballads
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why doesn't he?
What would he do with the detainees?
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
let them go and give them some weapons like he's doing with the other al qaeda cells he's arming?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:35 pm to monsterballads
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let them go
How would they get across the minefield into Cuba?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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why doesn't he?
What would he do with the detainees?
It's funny how these caveats were never important, or even considered, in the constant calls to "CLOSE GITMO!!!" leading up to the 2008 presidential elections. Now, 6 years later and it's just a bunch of shrugs from those who were seemingly so passionate on this issue. Weird.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:40 pm to Y.A. Tittle
liberals don't care anymore now that "their guy" is in power.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:52 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It's funny how these caveats were never important, or even considered, in the constant calls to "CLOSE GITMO!!!" leading up to the 2008 presidential elections. Now, 6 years later and it's just a bunch of shrugs from those who were seemingly so passionate on this issue. Weird.
To me, that speaks more to his immaturity and folly in speaking so forcefully during the campaign.
Can you imagine the uproar if he released the detainess and one committed a major act and Obama said he closed Gitmo solely to fulfill a campaign promise? Then you guys would have your Benghazi moment.
In a perverse way, he is kinda showing some leadership by taking the heat for not closing it because it isn't in the best interests of the country right now.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What would he do with the detainees?
#hashtag the hell outta them.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:04 pm to son of arlo
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#hashtag the hell outta them.
Even the innocent ones?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:13 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Wow. Did you just say that a politician not following up on a campaign promise is a sign of leadership. He also campaigned on fixing the VA and it has gotten worse. Is that also a sign of leadership by doing nothing about it.
In a perverse way, he is kinda showing some leadership by taking the heat for not closing it because it isn't in the best interests of the country right now.
Only a liberal can define a leader as someone who does not follow through with a promise......brilliant.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:16 pm to dante
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Wow. Did you just say that a politician not following up on a campaign promise is a sign of leadership. He also campaigned on fixing the VA and it has gotten worse. Is that also a sign of leadership by doing nothing about it.
Only a liberal can define a leader as someone who does not follow through with a promise......brilliant.
Let's forget the VA for a second since I was speaking only of his failure to close Gitmo.
What if, when he got in office and was privy to all of the information that entails, he felt it wasn't prudent or in our best interest to close Gitmo, but he did it anyway to fulfill a campaign promise...
Are you suggesting THAT is leadership? Really?
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Only a liberal can define a leader as someone who does not follow through with a promise......brilliant.
If that promise was based on a faulty premise... Absolutely.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:21 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:So, that would imply that Obama was promising to do something that he did not have all the facts about which REALLY makes him look like a dumbass. Didn't he just say yesterday he still wants to close Gitmo?
What if, when he got in office and was privy to all of the information that entails, he felt it wasn't prudent or in our best interest to close Gitmo
You cannot have it both ways on this argument, I'm sorry.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:22 pm to boosiebadazz
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it isn't in the best interests of the country right now.
it never was....but the liberals just ate it up with a spoon and never thought about that back in '08
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:31 pm to boosiebadazz
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In a perverse way, he is kinda showing some leadership by taking the heat for not closing it because it isn't in the best interests of the country right now.
Damned if you do; damned if you don't. You would think it was the Right that was clamoring for closing down Gitmo, given their impassioned nature on it now.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:33 pm to dante
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So, that would imply that Obama was promising to do something that he did not have all the facts about which REALLY makes him look like a dumbass.
Yes, motherfricker. I said that. Read!
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To me, that speaks more to his immaturity and folly in speaking so forcefully during the campaign
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Didn't he just say yesterday he still wants to close Gitmo?
I'm not sure, but I want it closed too. However, I don't want it closed just for the sake of "well I said so 5 years ago when I didn't have all the facts and if I don't do it now then I won't be a leader". I want it closed if there is another viable option for the detainess.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:35 pm to HarveyDent
quote:Odd how the lefties have dropped there close Gitmo now mantra as soon as their empty suit got in the WH.
You would think it was the Right that was clamoring for closing down Gitmo, given their impassioned nature on it now.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:55 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Obama speech at West Point this week.
"And that’s why I will continue to push to close Gitmo, because American values and legal traditions do not permit the indefinite detention of people beyond our borders
quote:Apparently 6 years after saying he wants it closed he still doesn't have a solution. Maybe we should send some of sick veterans down there so they can at least get health care.
However, I don't want it closed just for the sake of "well I said so 5 years ago when I didn't have all the facts and if I don't do it now then I won't be a leader". I want it closed if there is another viable option for the detainess.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:01 pm to dante
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American values and legal traditions do not permit the indefinite detention of people beyond our borders
He's right.
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Apparently 6 years after saying he wants it closed he still doesn't have a solution.
I think that's painfully obvious. I don't think anyone has a better solution. If you do, write your Congressman and they'll name a street after you or something.
Candidate Obama said some silly shite when he didn't have all the facts. President Obama has all the facts and has decided to not make the decision he said he would, even if that means getting lampooned for it.
I don't understand how that is a lack of leadership.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:03 pm to dante
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So, that would imply that Obama was promising to do something that he did not have all the facts about which REALLY makes him look like a dumbass.
Then they all look like dumbasses.
Remember Bush's comment on not using the military for nation building in his first campaign?
...or his father's infamous lip-reading exercise in his second?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:A lot of them do, yet they continue to get elected. In the end I guess that makes us the dumbasses.
Then they all look like dumbasses.
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