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HarveyDent
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re: Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 5:55 pm to CptBengal
Guy, what are you arguing with me about? I am agreeing with you, he doesn't fit the legal description of a POW, that's why the swap happened. The Taliban had it both ways. They could argue NEVER letting him go, because, more or less, he appears to have left his ranks.
And the two terms in the same sentence doesn't validate one over the other. Berghdahl was definitely a prisoner, he wasn't free to leave the Taliban. He was detained by them, for 5 years.
Again, you are correct, no one called him a POW. A soldiers' dead body isn't a POW. But we try to get them back all the same.
Now, if you want to call him a defector, a traitor, then we can have a debate
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He isnt a prisoner. He's a deserter.
And the two terms in the same sentence doesn't validate one over the other. Berghdahl was definitely a prisoner, he wasn't free to leave the Taliban. He was detained by them, for 5 years.
Again, you are correct, no one called him a POW. A soldiers' dead body isn't a POW. But we try to get them back all the same.
Now, if you want to call him a defector, a traitor, then we can have a debate
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re: Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 5:06 pm to CptBengal
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Bergdahl wasnt a POW. No matter how hard you try to make him one. He was never, EVER a POW. Good to see you still posting rex.
You still arguing with thin air on that point, Clark? I agreed with you in the other thread. It's why it makes the prisoner swap even more urgent. The war is ending, we have detainees we will have to get rid of in the next year, why not try get this back, before it is too late?
The Taliban can make a good case for him not even remotely fitting the description of a POW, and hold him indefinitely. And there wouldn't be jack, as you have pointed out, you can do for a deserter.
So yeah, they may have put 'lipstick on a pig' here, by designating him a POW. But, they had no choice. He was being promoted while he was in capture, so wait to see what more comes out.
Hijack ended.
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:56 pm to constant cough
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Kinda like Obama when he hears about scandals on the news huh?
Don't you get bored just copying and pasting the same thing in every thread, year-after-year?
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:51 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Barack Hussein Milhous Obama could literally shoot a puppy in the face, while it was being held by a 6 year old cancer patient, and laugh, and the GOP couldn't do shite about it.
FIFY
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:49 pm to Rickety Cricket
To be sure, it is more fodder/fuel on the fire for people that already hate this administration.
But at this point, surely you guys realize that this President doesn't give 2 licks what the Right thinks. Consider all the controversial moves he has made in his second term SO FAR. And there goes the new EPA regulations!
Do you guys really think he cares about how 'infuriated' John McCain, Lyndsey Graham, John 'Sleeping Beauty' Boehner, and the Tea Party get? I think it's all about his ego.
Maybe he heard the cries of lame duck. You know how sensitive he is...
But at this point, surely you guys realize that this President doesn't give 2 licks what the Right thinks. Consider all the controversial moves he has made in his second term SO FAR. And there goes the new EPA regulations!
Do you guys really think he cares about how 'infuriated' John McCain, Lyndsey Graham, John 'Sleeping Beauty' Boehner, and the Tea Party get? I think it's all about his ego.
Maybe he heard the cries of lame duck. You know how sensitive he is...
Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:35 pm
Well, I am at the least, a terrible judge of political character, but at the most, I just gave the Senator a little too much benefit of the doubt.
In this thread LINK I predicted RP would probably sympathize with the Berghdahls, or at the least stay very quiet on this issue. A few other posters said no way (on sympathizing), some said he would be one of the smart guys and stay quiet on it (how long can you do that, as a possible GOP contender for 2016), others said Rand would 'follow the money', or votes, as it were.
Boy, were you guys right. On the Neil Cavuto show, or whatever it is called, I tuned in today because he had Rand Paul on @3:30pm. Not only did Rand denounce the entire Bergdahl deal, he said, if he were President, he would not Prisoner swap, under any circumstances. No deals. Ever.
Now here is where the head-scratching began. Neil tried to reel him back in by basically asking, 'Senator, you mean to tell me, you wouldn't swap POW's, and not even try to get American soldiers back home?' Rand thought about it, and basically amended his first response, citing a 'cessation' of war activity, as a possibility for doing so (isn't this what is going on?)
THEN, when asked if he would keep tabs on the 5 Talibans that were released (which Rand said he wouldn't release, under his Administration) Rand said, in a bumpersticker-worthy moment, that each one of them would have "A drone with his name on it".
!!!
Sorry, I think Rand Paul is the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, and one of the most interesting. I find this intriguing.
And as soon as I get a link or transcription to all of this I will update it.
In this thread LINK I predicted RP would probably sympathize with the Berghdahls, or at the least stay very quiet on this issue. A few other posters said no way (on sympathizing), some said he would be one of the smart guys and stay quiet on it (how long can you do that, as a possible GOP contender for 2016), others said Rand would 'follow the money', or votes, as it were.
Boy, were you guys right. On the Neil Cavuto show, or whatever it is called, I tuned in today because he had Rand Paul on @3:30pm. Not only did Rand denounce the entire Bergdahl deal, he said, if he were President, he would not Prisoner swap, under any circumstances. No deals. Ever.
Now here is where the head-scratching began. Neil tried to reel him back in by basically asking, 'Senator, you mean to tell me, you wouldn't swap POW's, and not even try to get American soldiers back home?' Rand thought about it, and basically amended his first response, citing a 'cessation' of war activity, as a possibility for doing so (isn't this what is going on?)
THEN, when asked if he would keep tabs on the 5 Talibans that were released (which Rand said he wouldn't release, under his Administration) Rand said, in a bumpersticker-worthy moment, that each one of them would have "A drone with his name on it".
!!!
Sorry, I think Rand Paul is the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, and one of the most interesting. I find this intriguing.
And as soon as I get a link or transcription to all of this I will update it.
re: ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 3:14 pm to kingbob
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7:00pm Bergdahl is seen placing explosives in the 17th street and industrial canals in New Orleans.
8:00pm Berghdahl spotted with a leaf blower headed underground on the set of "The Seven-Year Itch"
re: Mannequin in Obama mask hung from Missouri bridge (liberals have done worse)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 2:58 pm to constant cough
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Probably some democrat hung it in order to try and distract from all of Obama's scandals.
This is the more likely scenario. Because it is from constant cough. And it is what we have come to expect from a modern-day Paul Revere.
On meth.
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to CptBengal
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This deserter was never listed as a POW.
We'll that is basically the point I guess. The Taliban can label this guy as a deserter, someone not engaged in active combat etc. By all accounts, a disillusioned soldier.
As the War ends, the Taliban could be expecting all of their detainees (people not charged with War crimes) back home. They could argue ( as you asserted) that Berghdahl is not a POW...here is the proof: he had no combat unis, no gun, just trying to blend in.
I think if that story had progressed THAT way, he would have never stepped on US soil again
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 12:46 pm to wilfont
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What rules are in play here exactly?
Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free. Whatever occurs on the battlefield, is left on the battlefield. And believe it or not, even though it's ok to kill each other on the battlefield, there are still 'War crimes', that you can be charged with that contraindicate your release. These guys aren't being tried with any war crimes
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 11:52 am to FT
A former Adviser to GWB said that these guys were detainees, and that we couldn't hold them going into 2015, based on Some 'end of war' rules.
He also said they couldn't have been tried in court for anything as they were detainees of War, unlike the 9/11 guys who can be tried in a Fed court because of crimes against the country.
I don't know. So much info coming out.
He also said they couldn't have been tried in court for anything as they were detainees of War, unlike the 9/11 guys who can be tried in a Fed court because of crimes against the country.
I don't know. So much info coming out.
re: Why no attempt to trade for the Marine in Mexico?
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 11:46 am to Tim
Trade for what? Enchiladas?
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 10:00 pm to monsterballads
Maybe they are pissed at American soldiers for being over there, and the Dad is pissed that his son is part of that group, and Obama is pissed they are still over there.
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:46 pm to yumahog
We'll, it's either that or get shot up/blown up by some Christian dudes
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:42 pm to constant cough
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Just a couple of muslim dudes
Yeah. Muslim dudes are pretty cool.
I saw a couple of Christian dudes the other day...
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:41 pm to tracytiger
Oh boy.
re: Many in intellegence community think Bergdahl was active collaborator w/ Taliban
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 7:31 pm to monsterballads
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it's pretty black and white
Frick you, u racist.
Wait. Wut?
re: I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 4:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
He said a few things about understanding the war, the afghan people, and why they were over there(the father). He mentioned how the people of Afghan are just as patriotic as us, want to be free, and not treated as subhuman.
The son also made comments to the effect basically expressing his frustration with the mission, and the purpose of being over there.
And it's true. A 10+ year war takes on an ugly life of its own after awhile. Soldiers forget what the cause is...are we freeing people, trying to overthrow a dictator, defending neighboring countries from a great danger etc. most are joining for the money, some excitement, and the few who are still their for noble reasons, and are still thinking and not just blindly following orders, go through this dilemma. It's easy to find yourself in an atmosphere of Meatheads versus Nerds, the military often purports that kind of atmosphere (see 'A Few Good Men')
Anyway, like I said, I have a feeling this story will flip in a few days, and the Paul's will get out in front of it. Why them? I've been keeping up with them a lot lately. I can't link it all, but they should be itching to speak on this.
The son also made comments to the effect basically expressing his frustration with the mission, and the purpose of being over there.
And it's true. A 10+ year war takes on an ugly life of its own after awhile. Soldiers forget what the cause is...are we freeing people, trying to overthrow a dictator, defending neighboring countries from a great danger etc. most are joining for the money, some excitement, and the few who are still their for noble reasons, and are still thinking and not just blindly following orders, go through this dilemma. It's easy to find yourself in an atmosphere of Meatheads versus Nerds, the military often purports that kind of atmosphere (see 'A Few Good Men')
Anyway, like I said, I have a feeling this story will flip in a few days, and the Paul's will get out in front of it. Why them? I've been keeping up with them a lot lately. I can't link it all, but they should be itching to speak on this.
re: I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 4:10 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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What would lead you to think that?
Specific comments the Father made, they align with, and are almost a blueprint of what Ron Paul has said in the past. And then there is this (just in): LINK
I'm reserving judgement myself. This Administration (as much as most here would like to think otherwise) is cunning and smart, not stupid.
I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 3:47 pm
For political reasons I would imagine they are going to stay really quiet on this one. But I think they approve of this swap, the viewpoints expressed by Bob Bergdahl, and won't have anything but praise for the Administration on this prison swap.
Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?
Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?
re: Should Obama be impeached over Berghdal?
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 1:40 pm to NHTIGER
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There is nothing more self-defeating than impeaching a man who has no chance of being convicted. No Republican should even utter the word in public between now and November 4th. Doing so would take Obamacare, the VA, Benghazi, the IRS, the NSA, etc., off the table for the 2014 elections. The Democrats would like nothing better than being given such a cause celebre before the elections.
You are on the right track, but allow me to highlight a trend here for you: Have you guys noticed that, whenever there is a 'scandal', another 'scandal' seems to pop up, taking the previous 'scandal' off the front pages?
I'll work in reverse here. A POW, apparently to most now (the media included), not worth the trouble rescuing. Now hearings are being called on to figure out why this deal was ok. How does T.Gowdy even put on a straight face, and investigate Benghazi with his chief complaint being 'this Administration does not care about the safety of its people abroad', or didn't provide enough security, when it just gave everything to get one of its own back?
I'm pretty sure this Administration is attempting to control the narrative now by manufacturing faux scandals or 'good stories'. The VA and the NSA also appear to be 'scandals' they have controlled to counter real problems.
re: Just when I thought Jarvis Deberry couldn't write a worse article.....
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 10:24 am to CptBengal
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The problem is that black people have a slightly higher bone density and have a higher percentage of more dense fast twitch muscle fibers. Those two things make them less buoyant in water. Ever hear a beach lifeguard reference an "african rockfish"? It's because they, like rockfish, arent really all that buoyant. it's also the reason they can generally run faster and jump higher.
Truth
And this thread is Germans, btw.
LINK
re: Mullah Omar hails release of 5 top Taliban commanders as 'great victory'
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/1/14 at 3:55 pm to C
The Intelligence community, the Millitary, and in general, people in-the-know, don't seem to be worried about these guys, or are just staying hush/hush on how they are now being used. I'm sure these guys have been brainwashed and broken down pretty bad by now. Only the experts on the PT board are worried
Wouldn't be surprised if Seal Team 6 dropped this entire pack a visit soon. Bet everyone will be begging to stay at Guantanomo after that.
Then what will the spin be? Here let me help: 'Military declares Obama incompetent, finds Taliban commanders, and kills them.'
Wouldn't be surprised if Seal Team 6 dropped this entire pack a visit soon. Bet everyone will be begging to stay at Guantanomo after that.
Then what will the spin be? Here let me help: 'Military declares Obama incompetent, finds Taliban commanders, and kills them.'
re: 22 veterans killing themselves each day
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/31/14 at 12:46 pm to RCDfan1950
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I do have a "bias" and "agenda", HD. We all should. And it should be to do what is right; I.e., to establish Law/Government that rewards folk who do the right (moral) thing, and punish them who don't. So, in that respect, me and Obama see the MO as being the same...just that we don't see eye to eye in regard to WHAT is Ideologically just and right. He's an old line Marxist, with a racial chip on this shoulder, IMO. Rev. Wright and Frank Marshall Davis being his "mentor", and "spiritual leader". Them dogs won't hunt! He believes in 'social justice'...no qualifiers. Neither God (traditional theological version), Darwin/Mother Nature, or me...believes that. In fact, I think it's suicidal. God and Mother Nature play the big picture; they're neutral, as to us learning the hard way. I prefer the easy. Other than a bit of wisdom from God: "Behold, there is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man, but the end thereof is destruction".
You lost me right here. You're all over the place. And your opening diatribe looks like a carbon-copy of Sean Hannity talking points.
You are on the right board, at least.
re: Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl - Afghan POW since 2009, freed and in U.S. custody now
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/31/14 at 11:41 am to boosiebadazz
Excellent news
re: 22 veterans killing themselves each day
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/31/14 at 11:37 am to RCDfan1950
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And it is a worse shame that we have never had a Leader who'd stand up and employ rogue presidential power to change it and do what's right for the GOOD FOLK.
FIFY.
See, responses like yours betray your bias, prove that you are uninformed, and like most posters here, agenda-driven.
But you knew that already.
re: 22 veterans killing themselves each day
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/31/14 at 11:17 am to Big12fan
This is the reality of the VA scandal, and any other 'scandal' for that matter, and what it's real worth is:
Dr. Ben Carson calls VA scandal 'A gift from God'
I don't think I have ever heard any politicians equate or in context, associate deaths with 'a blessing in disguise'.
Dr. Ben Carson calls VA scandal 'A gift from God'
I don't think I have ever heard any politicians equate or in context, associate deaths with 'a blessing in disguise'.
re: 22 veterans killing themselves each day
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/31/14 at 6:49 am to Jbird
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: You think there is an institution on earth that can fix someone who was engaged in the conflict of war?
Forget about the physical injuries for a moment. The dehumanization process that begins when one first joins the military, progresses during active combat, never ends. Most of the top brass are keenly aware of the permanent scars most soldiers coming home will carry with them. The big joke is on the veterans, their families, and the American people for believing that, just because we tab a system in their honor, this means they should be okay. They are not.
The VA is not the solution or the problem. The damn war is the problem. No amount of lies or 'honors bestowed' can correct or gloss over the atrocities of war itself.
I'm shocked the suicide rate is not higher
Forget about the physical injuries for a moment. The dehumanization process that begins when one first joins the military, progresses during active combat, never ends. Most of the top brass are keenly aware of the permanent scars most soldiers coming home will carry with them. The big joke is on the veterans, their families, and the American people for believing that, just because we tab a system in their honor, this means they should be okay. They are not.
The VA is not the solution or the problem. The damn war is the problem. No amount of lies or 'honors bestowed' can correct or gloss over the atrocities of war itself.
I'm shocked the suicide rate is not higher
re: Obama had two MAJOR opportunities as POTUS.....and failed
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/29/14 at 2:22 pm to CptBengal
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racial divide in this country. On pointing out that there are racists on all sides of the spectrum..
A lot of words there. Some seem to have been well-thought out. These, not so much.
First of all, you acknowledged that their is a racial divide in this country, So for 200+ years, this country has been racially divided. In 200 years, what have we done about the 'racial divide'? Well here are the pluses (for blacks):
(1) Slavery was abolished by a President that some on this board have referred to as one of the worst in history
(2) Subsequent segregation and Jim Crow laws eased tension in the South
(3) Affirmative Action (a man-made disaster), had a minuscule success rate in leveling out the playing field.
I feel like that sums up the racial divide.Save for some petty, reactionary stuff by blacks, basically one race dominated
the other. I chose not to scrutinize hate groups such as BP or the KKK since they are both close to irrelevancy now.
The Second part of your assertion deserves attention also: racists on both sides of the spectrum. Well, duh. What would a spectrum be without opposite extremes? What you fail to realize is one side is rooted in history, has a legacy, caused real and possibly irreversible harm to this country...and the other form was just reactionary. For example, the 'N' word is outlawed in most venues of decorum, even on this board. But honkey? Well, I guess I will know in a few moments won't I?
My point is, and I understand responsible, hard-working whites are tired of getting beaten over the head with it, it is our burden to bare, it is our legacy. We did it. We treated another group of humans as subhuman (just like Hitler and the Nazis did), and we are just barely getting over it.
This spectrum that you speak of, it's kind of more like a balance scale to me. One side is weighed down with rocks. The other side has grains of sand on it. How does the first AA President argue the grievances of both sides equally, when one weighs more than the other?
re: Sickening comments from Obama during his West Point commencement speech
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/29/14 at 1:31 pm to boosiebadazz
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In a perverse way, he is kinda showing some leadership by taking the heat for not closing it because it isn't in the best interests of the country right now.
Damned if you do; damned if you don't. You would think it was the Right that was clamoring for closing down Gitmo, given their impassioned nature on it now.
re: Tea Party to Ted Cruz: Stop the lies.
Posted by HarveyDent on 5/26/14 at 9:41 pm to BobBoucher
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Politics of fear - used by both ends of the political spectrum.
This. Wasn't it the current VP telling Virginian black voters that the GOP wanted to 'put the chains back on'?
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