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re: Stacey Abrams claims Bible supports abortion
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:00 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:00 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:That is not even remotely what that passage says. Ezekiel is conveying to the nation of Judah why they are facing captivity by the Babylonians. Your understanding of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, is abysmal.
Yahweh caused the rebelling Israelites to sacrifice their firstborns passing them over the fire in order to desolate them so they’d know that he is Yahweh.
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:03 pm to civilag08
quote:Well done. A very little known discussion on the implications of that command by God to king Saul and his subsequent disobedience.
civilag08
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:24 pm to Rex Feral
I trust her opinions regarding pies ... That's it
Well maybe cakes and other baked goods
Well maybe cakes and other baked goods
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:31 pm to AggieHank86
Has our discussion ended?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:34 pm to Esquire
quote:
If he read the end of the book, why doesn’t he change up his plan?
Because at this point he knows he's beaten. Now his job is to get suckers to follow him. The greatest con-artist ever.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:36 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
And using the time of the Judges to establish a biblical principle is pure folly. The book itself ends with a lament that everyone did that which is right in their own eyes (Judges 21:25).
The last three chapters of Judges are NOT a how-to book on how to run a society. Not by any means. The last verse, as you quoted, is God's comment on those events.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:41 pm to Quidam65
quote:One of the reasons that I trust the veracity of God’s word is that it does not hide the failings of God’s children. It reveals everything, warts and all. But, trying to quote Judges as a model for Israelite society is like citing 1 & 2 Corinthians as a model New Testament church.
The last three chapters of Judges are NOT a how-to book on how to run a society. Not by any means. The last verse, as you quoted, is God's comment on those events.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 5:41 pm to Rex Feral
What does it say about pride and gluttony?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:05 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:
scriptures which I find to be morally repugnant
Based on the moral code that's nothing more than how you feel about things?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:09 pm to Rex Feral
quote:
There is nothing about ... abortion ... that is grounded in anything other than cruelty and meanness
Fixed it for her.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:14 pm to mahdragonz
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Don't use a book with a magic sky daddy for governance
This ignorance won’t be bliss for you when your day comes…
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:16 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Edgy.
mahdragonz
Posted on 8/28/22 at 6:17 pm to Rex Feral
That cünt is apparently as dumb as she is fat.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:31 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
That is not even remotely what that passage says. Ezekiel is conveying to the nation of Judah why they are facing captivity by the Babylonians. Your understanding of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, is abysmal.
Yes, that’s what it says, if you can read and comprehend the actual words.
Your god YHWH loves murdering and killing. Here you go: Deuteronomy 32
Certainly you must be familiar with Deut 32, being such an Old Testament scholar, no? That one starts out with how much of a badass YHWH is, how he inherited Israel from El Elyon god most high (head of the Canaanite Pantheon, go read some Qumran scrolls…) and towards the end, my favorite part about what he’s going to do to the other Elohim and their humans who worship them reads like this (ESV):
42I will make my arrows drunk with blood,
and my sword shall devour flesh—
with the blood of the slain and the captives,
from the long-haired heads of the enemy.’
43“Rejoice with him, O heavens;
bow down to him, all gods,
for he avenges the blood of his children
and takes vengeance on his adversaries.
He repays those who hate him
and cleanses his people’s land.
So scripture doesn’t necessarily address abortion but you can see that YHWH Elohim is jealous, petty, cruel, and loves killing in his name and killing by his own hands. He has murdered children Himself and has sanctioned child murder by his followers. It’s not a stretch to say He condones child murder in modern times.
ETA:
Rather than resort to insults, why not read and understand the subject matter, and then make a rational and logical response?
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:33 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
If she is saying that nothing in the Bible explicitly PROHIBITS abortion, she is correct.
Does Scripture have to for readers to conclude intentionally killing God's image-bearers in the womb is morally wrong?
Scripture consistently affirms life, fully-human, person-hood begins before birth. And it makes no distinction regarding heartbeats, sentience, viability, etc, i.e., one can rightly infer from conception.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:43 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Hence “interpretation.”quote:Scripture consistently affirms life, fully-human, person-hood begins before birth. And it makes no distinction regarding heartbeats, sentience, viability, etc, i.e., one can rightly infer from conception.
If she is saying that nothing in the Bible explicitly PROHIBITS abortion, she is correct. …
There is ABSOLUTELY a good faith interpretation of the text to the effect that abortion is sinful, even if not everyone shares that interpretation.
The relevant question is whether public policy should reflect (just one) interpretation of a religious text.
You did read that part, right?
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:48 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:I cannot help it if you have no understanding of Israelite history and instead superimpose your hatred of God upon it.
Yes, that’s what it says, if you can read and comprehend the actual words.
quote:You are just off the rails. Again, I do not mind if you hate God. That is your choice. But I am not going to sit idly by while you pervert His word.
That one starts out with how much of a badass YHWH is, how he inherited Israel from El Elyon god most high (head of the Canaanite Pantheon, go read some Qumran scrolls…)
You have not proven your point (again).
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:51 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:I have been otherwise engaged. Sorry.
Has our discussion ended?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 7:55 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
And it makes no distinction regarding heartbeats, sentience, viability, etc, i.e., one can rightly infer from conception.
Why conception? Why not before or after?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 8:05 pm to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
You remind me of the title of a Glenn Beck book from about 10 years ago. It’s called “Arguing with Idiots”.
You also remind me of the deranged blue haired sky screamers quite a bit.
You’ve put forth no rational counter arguments, are blinded by preconceived notions, and are incapable of comprehending written language or experiencing logical independent thought. May your God have mercy on your soul.
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