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re: Texas GOP rejects Log Cabin Republicans
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:14 am to Muleriderhog
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:14 am to Muleriderhog
quote:If it’s a violation of God’s moral law, it’s a moral issue. The location of where it happens doesn’t make it better.
What consenting adults do in their bedroom is not a moral issue and you evangelicals are too stupid to realize this.
quote:Morality—like truth—is not determined by consensus.
The majority of the country doesn’t give a frick what gay people do because it’s nobodies fricking business.
Even so, if it is no ones business, why does it determine the identity of people? Isn’t that what separates the LCR from the rest of the GOP? They are purposefully calling attention to what they do behind closed doors.
quote:I have every right to call something immoral. It’s the 1st Amendment.
You have no right to tell someone what they can’t do regarding their sexual orientation, therefore it is not a moral issue.
quote:Policy is made by people and every person has a governing worldview that guides their moral principles and actions. What right do you have to disenfranchise those with a religious worldview from policy direction?
Also, frick a biblical worldview in politics, it’s outdated and has no place in policy making. Separation of church and state.
The separation of Church and State was meant to keep the State from controlling the Church. It wasn’t meant to keep any semblance of faith out of the public sphere.
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:18 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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and if you read the Bible, it won’t take long for you to find where it says homosexuality and perversion of ones body is an abomination to God.... the whole Sodom and Gammorah thing is pretty hard to miss. So yeah, it IS a moral issue.
you're making this argument on a message board that has constant discussions about eating shellfish (crawfish)
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:20 am to FooManChoo
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If it’s a violation of God’s moral law, it’s a moral issue.
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I have every right to call something immoral.
the problem is trying to turn your beliefs into governmental policy
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It’s the 1st Amendment.
not worth much when you're proposing authoritarianism elsewhere in your post. that's the political inconsistency you're missing
i posted this in a thread making fun of progressives earlier, but it fits here, too
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:22 am to Boatshoes
quote:The GOP includes people who prioritize religion over the economy AND people who prioritize the economy over religion.
Some people seem to confuse the words Conservatism and Corporatism
It is shortsighted to give only one of those groups a voice at the state convention.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:24 am to Ag Zwin
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awful politics
Yep
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:28 am to AggieHank86
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It is shortsighted to give only one of those groups a voice at the state convention.
Not you or anybody else has taken the time to find out what policy differences, if any, were the cause of this. The Washington Examiner writes one sensationalist, almost certainly misleading article and people lap it up.
If this were written about Trump instead of evangelicals most of this same crowd would be correctly calling it fake news.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:31 am to Muleriderhog
quote:I have a slightly different take on this.quote:(N)othing “moral about this, it’s just evangelicals fricking shite up like they always do. It doesn’t matter what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom, if they support trump let them in. This just gave ammo to the dems.
Some morals are worth standing.
After a reasoned debate of the platform committee, the Texas GOP could well decide to include policy planks that are unambiguously anti-gay. It would be a mistake and lose some general election votes, but it would at least be reflective of a small-D democratic process.
Or it can put its hands over its collective ears and chant “I cannot hear you,” while refusing to even LISTEN to Republicans who just do not give a damn about sexual orientation.
By refusing to allow the LCR to present its views at a booth on the convention premises, the Texas GOP is choosing the latter course.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:32 am to AggieHank86
quote:And they're stupid for it
By refusing the LCR to present its views at a booth on the convention premises, the Texas GOP is choosing the latter course.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:33 am to Ag Zwin
fricking GOP can't get out of its own way. What a bunch of jackasses.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is trying to turn your beliefs into governmental policy
Everybody does that. If you believe it’s wrong for a 25 year old to screw a 14 year old and you support statutory rape laws, you’re turning your personal moral beliefs into government policy.
The real discussion to have is where to draw the line, not whether some moral values are codified. They unquestionably are, have been and always will be.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:49 am to Ag Zwin
Good grief! Do you guys actually think that the queers give us any smidgen of a voting block EVEN IF we allow their their goofy Log Cabin crap? We gain a broader base by REJECTING the gays agenda! If you alienate any portion of the Christian Right then the Republican party will never win a National Election again. Period.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is trying to turn your beliefs into governmental policy
ALL government policy is a matter of belief.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:55 am to Bayoubred
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Good grief! Do you guys actually think that the queers give us any smidgen of a voting block EVEN IF we allow their their goofy Log Cabin crap? We gain a broader base by REJECTING the gays agenda! If you alienate any portion of the Christian Right then the Republican party will never win a National Election again. Period.
The problem with this thinking is that you are neglecting the significant chunk of people who will be alienated because you alienated their friends or who simply think this stuff should not matter.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:56 am to AggieHank86
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The GOP includes people who prioritize religion over the economy AND people who prioritize the economy over religion.
Prioritizing the economy over religion doesn’t give such people the right to throw people who prioritize religion over the economy under the bus. If you like your low tax rate, keep it, but get in the back of the bus.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:57 am to Bayoubred
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Good grief! Do you guys actually think
That is not a requirement here. 9 pages of studiously ignoring what the LCR wants to push, as if that takes a back seat to them being gay.
It’s been said already in this thread, but they’re choosing to identify with the LGTBwhatever movement as opposed to being Republicans who happen to be gay. That’s a very conscious decision. It makes sense that those are the issues they’re going to push, like adding the alphabet soup to the federally protected snowflake list. That’s one of their goals, plainly stated in their website. It makes zero sense to give them a booth to push things that the party as a whole is against.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:59 am to Muleriderhog
quote:Then why are they bringing their private acts into the public discourse by joining a specifically gay group?
what gay people do because it’s nobodies fricking business
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:08 am to Flats
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It’s been said already in this thread, but they’re choosing to identify with the LGTBwhatever movement as opposed to being Republicans who happen to be gay. That’s a very conscious decision. It makes sense that those are the issues they’re going to push, like adding the alphabet soup to the federally protected snowflake list. That’s one of their goals, plainly stated in their website. It makes zero sense to give them a booth to push things that the party as a whole is against.
Meh.
I'm atheist and conservative.
There are a lot of votes to be had from people who prioritize issues on a broader scale than just in some narrow interest. CLEARLY, LCR voters still prefer Republicans overall in policy even if disagreeing on some issues.
That really probably describes every single faction in the party. You have people in the party who demand formal school prayer. But there are those who disagree. You have people in the party who would ban every form of vice type business, but there are Republicans who disagree. etc etc etc.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:16 am to ShortyRob
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You have people in the party who would ban every form of vice type business, but there are Republicans who disagree. etc etc etc.
Right, but if you had a “GOP Against Vice” group that focuses solely on outlawing tobacco, are you obligated to give them a booth because they also want low taxes?
I don’t have a problem with people saying it’s stupid from a purely political angle. It may be, it may not be. But there’s a ton of ignorance, straw men and assumptions in this thread from people who haven’t addressed the actual policy differences that exist. Do YOU want the GOP focusing on making trannies a protected class? I don’t think that has a place in a (hopefully)conservative/small government platform.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:58 am to Ollieoxenfree99
quote:Sort of. We're free to choose as we wish, but that doesn't mean our wills are free. Freedom of volition is a better descriptor, IMO.
Even God gives man free will. Man is free to sin and do as he wishes.
quote:There are a lot of things that two or more consenting adults are not allowed to do.
Nothing done between 2 consenting adults needs to be legislated.
quote:Those who wish to honor God still exist, even in 2020.
I cannot believe it is 2020, and there are still people around that give a shite about this issue.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why is that a problem in your worldview? People have all sorts of motives for wanting public policy changed. Why is a religious motive not valid?
the problem is trying to turn your beliefs into governmental policy
BTW, I haven't lobbied for a change of public policy in this thread. I've talked about the justification for considering certain sexual acts immoral.
quote:Where have I proposed authoritarianism?
not worth much when you're proposing authoritarianism elsewhere in your post. that's the political inconsistency you're missing
And like I just said, I haven't lobbied for any specific laws or changes to public policy so far in this thread. I've been addressing the moral issue.
quote:Yes, memes are great at reducing complex issues into something funny that people can consume quickly, but unless you are an anarchist who wants zero government involvement, that meme can apply to everyone.
i posted this in a thread making fun of progressives earlier, but it fits here, too
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