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Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:15 am to roadGator
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Young man is at least accurate
The problem here roadGrator is the MSM doesn't have to employ their normal dirty tricks to feed the narrative, these two (three) fricking morons and the local keystones actually fed the narrative perfectly for the lying arse media....
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:16 am to Pesticide
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Eat a giant dick frick stick. This isnt about race despite the news and your own self loathing. Victim in a house he didnt belong in and 2 people who wanted to stop him. Its just that plain. Race has zero as to why this even unfolded. Would have been the same if the suspect was white and the overall fact never changes. Still would be dead and would have never heard of it beyond the local evening news. The news is pumping this and its playing on your weak arse.
You are just proving my point and sounding like an uneducated racist idiot. Sit this one out.
I haven’t watched any news to hear anything about this. I simply watched the video.
There is no logical reason for these two people to grab their guns and chase down an unarmed person + There’s no logical reason for you to defend them...
So it’s pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 7:25 am to More&Les
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Only if you believe your own two eyes in the video
So it’s clearly visible the defendant is pointing his gun at the deceased prior to the deceased engaging the defendant?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:04 am to LuckyTiger
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Only if you believe your own two eyes in the video
So it’s clearly visible the defendant is pointing his gun at the deceased prior to the deceased engaging the defendant?
Its clearly visible that the two rednecks were laying wait with guns drawn, the jogger was on the left side of the road and the shotgun wielding redneck was standing near the driver's side front tire of the truck, the jogger made a hard right to run around the other side of the truck, camera loses focus, re focus, the redneck is backing up from the otherside of the truck (meaning he went toward the jogger) with the shotgun pointed at the joggers abdomen and the jogger trying to wrestle the murder weapon away from the murderer... two more shots are fired at point blank and said jogger falls dead in the street, thats what the video shows
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:13 am to MAGA
Thanks MAGA. People are so polarized they can’t think.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:13 am to rmc
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Can you give me a scenario of events that are not included in that video that make the shooting ok?
I’ll bite: Ahmaud had a hammer about his person and while trespassing, swung it at a neighborhood dog or cat before dropping it and running when he realized he was witnessed by the McMichaels.
What if there’s a house security cam that actually has footage of Ahmaud swinging his blunt object at a neighborhood cat? What if he actually connected and the animal was wounded? What if he is who stole a gun from the elder McMichael’s vehicle and that gun is found in his residence?
All speculation but might that not allow the rednecks to walk with minor charges?
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:13 am to fatheadgator
Ahmaud Arbery was not a jogger. He was probably committing petty theft from the unattended property. The father and the son were not the police. There was no need for them to be patrolling the neighborhood armed. And there is no justification for the son to use deadly force when Ahmaud Arbery attempted to evade armed men (one of which he apparently knew) in two different vehicles and flee on foot. There is no way to justify this shooting. The only thing in question is what degree of murder to charge the son and father with.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:15 am to Wolfhound45
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There is no way to justify this shooting.
There is. It’s unlikely, but there is.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:18 am to SirWinston
quote:They have a brief moment in time to justify a shooting (which is not shown in this video). That moment has passed. He is fleeing. He has a right to defend himself. They have a responsibility to use armed force appropriately. They did not. Not justified.
There is. It’s unlikely, but there is.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:27 am to Wolfhound45
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Ahmaud Arbery was not a jogger.
He was. We already have people on the record who saw him jogging regularly on the road, Fancy Bluff, that turns into Satilla Drive south of US 17.
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Neighbors had seen him run by their homes every day for years.
One of them was Lauren Bennett, 26, who says running was what Arbery was known for around their Fancy Bluff neighborhood in Brunswick. Her security camera would ping into her phone as he raced by each day.
“Yup, there goes Ahmaud,” she told the Guardian, recalling his bouts of exercise. She’d heard he used to wave to another neighbor on his daily runs.
LINK
Arbery lived on Fancy Bluff, by the interstate, and jogged the mile to US 17, and had seemingly extended his route to include Satilla Drive.
The initial police report shows that this was at least the 3rd interaction between the McMichael's and Arbery. The neighbor whose has the surveillance footage shows that Arbery was caught trespassing, not stealing. There is more evidence that he was a jogger than there is evidence he took part in any theft in the preceding days to the shooting.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:30 am to crazy4lsu
quote:In hiking boots? With a claw hammer? Hardly. Don’t overstate your case. He was probably doing something illegal involving the home. That does not justify the use of deadly force to detain him. The son and father are still guilty.
He was.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:31 am to Wolfhound45
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The only thing in question is what degree of murder to charge the son and father with.
There are no degrees of murder in Georgia law. The criminal homicide charges are:
Murder, Voluntary Manslaughter, Invol Mans - Felony, & Invol Mans - Misdemeanor
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:33 am to Wolfhound45
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With a claw hammer? Hardly.
There wasn't a hammer. The initial police report, which had 13 officers responding to the incident, reported no such weapon, and the memo the second DA wrote to the chief of police made no mention of it either. The hammer is a literal invention that isn't in any of the official documentation. The hiking boots is also conjecture based on the video. I don't see him wearing hiking boots, as they looked like high tops to me.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:33 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:Thanks. Still not justifiable use of deadly force. Ahmaud was attempting to evade and flee and then attempted to resist armed men which anyone would do as a means of last resort. Son and father are in the wrong.
There are no degrees of murder in Georgia law.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:37 am to crazy4lsu
Then the coroners report will have the information on what he was wearing. I find it highly doubtful he was jogging and was ambushed with not prior context whatsoever. Still not justifiable use of deadly force. Son and father are guilty. Actions of Ahmaud were appropriate for the situation regardless as to what occurred prior (petty theft or jogging). Evade, flee and as last resort resist.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:45 am to Wolfhound45
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Thanks. Still not justifiable use of deadly force.
Welcome, and I should have added, I was pointing out a technicality; it still doesn’t change the context of what you said regarding the charges.
To me the correct charge is murder under the felony murder rule. The offenders committed the felony of false imprisonment when they forcibly stopped the man. His death then came at the hands of the offenders during the perpetration of this felony. Clearcut felony murder from my point of view.
One question I have that may or may not have been answered is: Did the dad maintain any type of arrest powers (kept on the training roster of a local department, maintained his POST certification yearly, etc.)? I’m not saying in any way that would change things but it could be something his defense could raise as far as the legality of the “detention” of Ahmaud.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:47 am to GeorgePaton
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Okay soy boi. We get your point. But Ahmaud Arbery is still a petty thug, who got what he deserved.
Holy frick you’re deranged. I am so fricking thankful to see this garbage had no upvotes and 10 downvotes. 11 now. As someone else said, you’re the exact person who gets all good conservatives painted as racists.
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One more thing. Are you black?
I don’t know about the person you directed this to but as for me, I’m a southern white conservative, born and raised in Louisiana, who can’t wait to vote for Trump again, and who despises everything the left and the leftist media stand for. With all that said, frick those murderous father-son redneck trash pieces of shite. And frick you too for making all conservatives look bad.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:49 am to Wolfhound45
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I find it highly doubtful he was jogging and was ambushed with not prior context whatsoever.
Again, there is a prior context, based on the initial paragraph of the police report, the surveillance video from the neighbor, and what people in the area have already said. This was the 3rd interaction the McMichael's apparently had with Arbery. The 1st is when they claimed to see him on the video at the neighbor's house. The 2nd is when they claimed to see him on a day before this incident when they supposedly saw him reach into his pants, which is the reason why they were armed. The 3rd time was the day of the incident. We already have people going on the record that he was regularly seen jogging on Fancy Bluff, which turns into Satilla Drive south of US-17. He, for whatever reason, decided to extend his route to include the neighborhood Satilla Shores. From this, it's easy to extrapolate a context where Arbery was doing nothing but mild trespassing. Behind Satilla Drive is a small river. The neighbor who has the surveillance footage said that whoever trespassed, Arbery in this instance, went to the dock by the house, apparently on this river, but the footage did not show him stealing anything. Given that context, I'm extremely skeptical that Arbery would continue to jog past houses he apparently stole from, houses that were less than 2 miles from his own home, and along a route where he was regularly recognized.
Even if you find that context unlikely, the initial police report already contains some lies and omissions that are problematic. Why did the police report report only 2 shots when there were 3? Why did the police report make no mention of the role William Bryan, who filmed the video, played in boxing Arbery in? And why did the police lie to the mother of the victim when they had the video evidence of what actually happened from the day of the incident?
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:50 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Did the dad maintain any type of arrest powers (kept on the training roster of a local department, maintain his POST certification yearly, etc.)? I’m not saying in any way that would change things but it could be something his defense could raise as far as the legality of the “detention” of Ahmaud.
I believe the dad was suspended for some reason.
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