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re: The Deep State Document Hunt Against Donald Trump in Context
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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If he didn't, at the least he didn't have to conceal documents, obstruct the investigation, and lie to investigators. THOSE are the charges that are going to get him in the end.
He invited the FBI go look! They refused, just as NARA refused to take possession of the boxes.
There was no need for an armed task force to serve a search warrant.
Aside from that, my understanding is the President's authority over classified or secret documents overrides all else. Any documents he has were assembled for him, for his review. They are HIS documents.
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:56 am to GumboPot
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Almost all career intel community employees don't lose their security clearance.
They’re not elected officials most of whom do not have clearances prior to being elected.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:57 am to lake chuck fan
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This morning I've been catching up on writings at The Conservative Treehouse, man.... that guy is sharp! Some of it I have to read twice, he gets so deep into so many angles but does so in a way that the big picture is visible.
They dig deep. A lot deeper than most media outlets. I believe they have sources with security clearance too...like Devin Nunes and a few good FBI guys. The sources do not tell them what, they tell them where to look.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:57 am to Decatur
You are a radical leftist.
Deceit is your game.
Deceit is your game.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:59 am to lake chuck fan
no shite. They went in there and destroyed his safe, busted up a toilet, and rummaged through Melania's panties and found nothing more than exactly what they already knew was there.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:04 am to Decatur
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Oh I’m being deceitful?
You're pretending that this isn't a complete break from tradition and for no real reason other than partisanship.
Kind of like how you believed in Russiagate from the same actors
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:06 am to Decatur
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They’re not elected officials most of whom do not have clearances prior to being elected.
After googling apparently it is up to the existing president to revoke security clearances from former presidents (or any former employee with security clearance). The tradition or intuitional norm is for former presidents to maintain security clearance.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:16 am to lake chuck fan
This morning I've been catching up on writings at The Conservative Treehouse, man.... that guy is sharp!
SHE is the best in the business. She deserves the Pulitzer for her work.(In fact, she deserves one just for the James Wolf Senate Intelligence Committee story) She was dead on the money about Mueller and Weismann pretty much in real time, and is all one the record on her site. She is taking heat now because she is a Trumper and has documented some of the shenanigans with the RNC/Desantis campaign.
SHE is the best in the business. She deserves the Pulitzer for her work.(In fact, she deserves one just for the James Wolf Senate Intelligence Committee story) She was dead on the money about Mueller and Weismann pretty much in real time, and is all one the record on her site. She is taking heat now because she is a Trumper and has documented some of the shenanigans with the RNC/Desantis campaign.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're pretending that this isn't a complete break from tradition and for no real reason other than partisanship.
I think it’s based upon a recognition that Trump has proven himself to be a unique public menace so that he should not have the same privileges that have been granted to former Presidents (by incumbent Presidents). Even if he was granted the privilege of receiving briefings though he still wasn’t authorized to retain the documents at issue.
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Kind of like how you believed in Russiagate from the same actors
Kind of like what exactly?
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:18 am to Rawdawgs
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She is taking heat now because she is a Trumper
CTH takes heat because they intentionally obfuscate stories by editing to leave out important context, and using that set of facts not reflective of reality to mold pre-determined stories (sometimes conspiracy theories).
It's a credibility issue more than which side of the partisan gap it lands on.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:20 am to Decatur
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I think it’s based upon a recognition that Trump has proven himself to be a unique public menace
Sounds like Russiagate all over
1. Government creates narrative to violate laws/norms to attack a political figure for partisan reasons
2. Government leaks stories to press as confidential sources
3. Government then relies upon those reports to justify violating laws/norms
Why are you falling for this all over again?
I knew you'd do this, too, hence why I already pre-referenced Russiagate (the exact same playbook).
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Even if he was granted the privilege of receiving briefings though he still wasn’t authorized to retain the documents at issue.
Possibly. Possibly not. That hasn't really been litigated.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:22 am to GumboPot
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not following protocols
One of the legit reasons to destroy the federal bureaucracy.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sounds like Russiagate all over
1. Government creates narrative to violate laws/norms to attack a political figure for partisan reasons
2. Government leaks stories to press as confidential sources
3. Government then relies upon those reports to justify violating laws/norms
Why are you falling for this all over again?
Bruh what are you even talking about? What does this have to do with the well established fact that Trump took documents (which he openly admits to over and over again) and would not return all of them when NARA asked?
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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CTH takes heat because they intentionally obfuscate stories by editing to leave out important context, and using that set of facts not reflective of reality to mold pre-determined stories (sometimes conspiracy theories).
You should have no problem providing one clear example of what you are talking about.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:46 am to lake chuck fan
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. sounds like a set up.
It was
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:48 am to udtiger
Dindu nuffin
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:55 am to Decatur
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Agency records are defined in the PRA. DOJ didn’t make that up. Regardless, PRA is not relevant to this prosecution. After he was no longer President, Trump was not authorized to retain documents that were marked classified/contained NDI.
If Trump decided these documents were no longer classified, they were no longer classified. Period.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 12:05 pm to Decatur
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unique public menace
But not the brain dead idiot in the White House now, right?
Good grief.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 12:10 pm to lake chuck fan
A court should ask…is the document/information related to the national defense, ie is the information “closely held” (not made public or available to the public) and would disclosure of information would be potential damaging to the US or might be useful to an enemy of the US?
That’s one of the standard elements of the 793 offense.
I don’t think a post-offense claim of declassification by mentalism that was never communicated to any relevant agency is going to impact the analysis of that element…that the information remains closely held.
That’s one of the standard elements of the 793 offense.
I don’t think a post-offense claim of declassification by mentalism that was never communicated to any relevant agency is going to impact the analysis of that element…that the information remains closely held.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 12:17 pm to Decatur
Why should anyone care if no one is asking those same questions about Joes classified docs, or Obama’s, or Bill’s, or Bush’s, etc.?
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