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re: The next time a pro-abortion zealot denies that status, show them this.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:24 pm to omegaman66
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:24 pm to omegaman66
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Both are taking a human life.
So what. There are many instances where taking a human life is considered acceptable, maybe even by you.
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:25 pm to EKG
quote:If the term is being used literally, and not as VERY imprecise shorthand, I agree with you 100%.
But the premise of claiming a fertilized egg isn’t human life is disingenuous.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:27 pm to EKG
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arguing what is/isn’t life
I've done no such thing.
And that's generally the issue with most of the opposition here.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I appreciate your honesty.
Most pro-abortion folks try to mollify the issue with untruths.
I genuinely pray for every person who finds themselves facing an unwanted pregnancy.
Most pro-abortion folks try to mollify the issue with untruths.
I genuinely pray for every person who finds themselves facing an unwanted pregnancy.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:27 pm to llfshoals
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Each is an individual member of the species.
And?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I've done no such thing.
I haven’t read all of your comments; I was speaking generally.
If I misrepresented your particular stance, allow me to walk back my statement with regard to your viewpoint.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Also, so we're clear:
This is not a point I'll ever concede, regardless of how imprecise or misleading some may choose to be with their choice of words.
quote:
ba·by
noun
1.
a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
"his wife's just had a baby"
This is not a point I'll ever concede, regardless of how imprecise or misleading some may choose to be with their choice of words.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:30 pm to EKG
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't assign special value to "life."
I think there's a term for that... let me try to remember... oh yeah:
Sociopath.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:There is no….And.
quote:Each is an individual member of the species. And?
That’s what you seem to have a problem with.
They are, or they are not. A is A
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:32 pm to llfshoals
quote:There is no counter argument to the premise that “fertilization” or “implantation” would be the EASIEST and most objective standard to apply. The problem is that it respects only the purported “rights” of the blastocyst or embryo and completely disregards the known autonomy rights of the pregnant woman.
Once you start that discussion though, where does it end? History is replete with examples of it going badly
Philosophically, I have a problem with completely subjugating the autonomy of a sapient human to the maybe-rights of an organism that is not even aware of its own existence. I am willing to tolerate some imprecision to find a reasonable balance.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:32 pm to llfshoals
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There is no….And.
You could've saved us both a lot of time if you'd just led off by saying you have no point.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:35 pm to BengalOnTheBay
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BengalOnTheBay
Do you hunt? Like steak and eggs? Believe that self-defense is a natural right or that capital punishment is necessary for a healthy society?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:The person who is deliberately trying to avoid the point is you.
You could've saved us both a lot of time if you'd just led off by saying you have no point.
You just wish it didn’t exist, so this you try (badly) to ignore it.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:36 pm to BengalOnTheBay
quote:Do you eat bacon? A “life” (pig) was taken so that you may do so.quote:I think there's a term for that... let me try to remember... oh yeah: Sociopath.
I don't assign special value to "life."
Do you drink beer? Multiple lives (barley & hops at a minimum) was ended for your enjoyment.
If you MEAN “human life,” say it.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:36 pm to llfshoals
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The person who is deliberately trying to avoid the point is you.
How? By asking you to expand on your point?
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:37 pm to AggieHank86
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a reasonable balance
I don’t think there is one; few on either “side” will ever change their opinion.
Should a parent be allowed to end the life of their pre-born child?
In the US, the current Supreme Court decision is likely the most workable: Let states decide, via democratic vote.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:42 pm to AggieHank86
quote:To start that argument, I think you should go back to basic biology.
Philosophically, I have a problem with completely subjugating the autonomy of a sapient human to the maybe-rights of an organism that is not even aware of its own existence. I am willing to tolerate some imprecision to find a reasonable balance.
When intercourse happens, what is the goal? An individual’s goal may be very different than the biological purpose for the act.
That’s where humanity gets it wrong IMO. We have ceased by and large to instruct that this is the reason it exists, and are solely focused on preventing its purpose.
Why? Your answer to that I’d find interesting. I’ll withhold mine for the moment.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:There is no expansion to the point. A member of the species is simply that, nothing more, nothing less.
How? By asking you to expand on your point?
Your wish to expand it is to establish value on each, or lack of value.
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:47 pm to llfshoals
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There is no expansion to the point.
Cool. Then you shouldn't be in the dark about why it's a useless point.
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