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Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:31 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Could Arbery have shot McMichaels if he had a gun and claimed self-defense?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:31 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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McMichael gets out and is just outside his door.
Starts to walk towards Arbery.
*illegally brandishing a firearm at arbery*
quote:
Arbery jets to go around the right side of truck. McMichael goes around front of truck. Arbery reaches front and turns towards McMichael and bum-rushes him.
*arbery attempts to defend himself from the aggressor as he moves to assaulting him with a shotgun*
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:31 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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That's usually how you catch and make a citizen's arrest on an individual.
But they weren’t entitled to do so, so who cares?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:33 pm to DallasTiger11
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So all my friends running 2.23 miles and virtue signaling about it on Instagram are morons.
100%. Unless they walked through new construction houses somewhere in the middle of the run.
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Arbery does dumb shite and someone catches him. A couple Paul Blart wannabes catch wind of it and try to be neighborhood heroes. They confront the dude and try to arrest him but he resists and they shoot him instead?
That’s about it.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:34 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Why were the father and son at the exact location they were at, at that exact time? Just there to get a good front row seat to watch the deadman run by? Like spectators at a cross country event?
Nah, common sense dictates that they were at that particular location at that particular point in time for the express purpose of directly confronting the deceased. In what world does it make sense that the plan to confront and detain an individual includes the act of intentionally staying away from the person they're seeking to detain? Could their plan have included keeping a healthy buffer and simply yelling over to the deceased and asking nicely that he halt and remain in place? It's comical.
Nah, common sense dictates that they were at that particular location at that particular point in time for the express purpose of directly confronting the deceased. In what world does it make sense that the plan to confront and detain an individual includes the act of intentionally staying away from the person they're seeking to detain? Could their plan have included keeping a healthy buffer and simply yelling over to the deceased and asking nicely that he halt and remain in place? It's comical.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:35 pm to AMS
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No their rebuttal is Arbery was the aggressor despite mcmichaels admitting to initiating the confrontation without any consideration to the gap in logic.
It's very hard to claim someone is not something they readily admit to being.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:36 pm to davyjones
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Nah, common sense dictates that they were at that particular location at that particular point in time for the express purpose of directly confronting the deceased
They said they were trying to stop him. They said they tried multiple times and failed.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:39 pm to davyjones
Delete.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:41 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:Sure, it's applicable. Arbery would have been totally justified in attempting a citizen's arrest of Jr for aggravated assault, and using deadly force to do so. It's not applicable for Jr, though, because there was no reason to believe that he or anyone else was faced with a threat from Arbery.
"In circumstances where the person making the arrest or someone else is faced with the threat of serious bodily injury or immediate use of deadly physical force."
Is that not applicable here?
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:41 pm to the808bass
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Could Arbery have shot McMichaels if he had a gun and claimed self-defense?
Honest question.
GA is an open-carry state. If you're holding a rifle and talking to me, is that aggravated assault?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:43 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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If you're holding a rifle and talking to me, is that aggravated assault?
Chasing someone up and down streets, stopping in the middle of the street isn’t “talking and holding.” They admitted they were trying to stop him and detain him. They did not say to the police, “We wanted to get information from him.” They said they were trying to stop him.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:44 pm to the808bass
True actually. Which left them with the only remaining option.....up close and personal confrontation.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:44 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:No, but if you chase someone down in a vehicle while yelling at him, and get out holding a rifle, that is absolutely aggravated assault. And, again, if you kill someone while committing that felony, it's automatic murder.
Honest question.
GA is an open-carry state. If you're holding a rifle and talking to me, is that aggravated assault?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:46 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:quote:
"In circumstances where the person making the arrest or someone else is faced with the threat of serious bodily injury or immediate use of deadly physical force."
Is that not applicable here?
They were under no such threat. There were two of them versus the lone Arbery who was attempting to avoid confrontation.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:48 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Honest question.
GA is an open-carry state. If you're holding a rifle and talking to me, is that aggravated assault?
No but it is if I am using it as part of a threatening or aggressive manner towards you.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:49 pm to Music_City_Tiger
I finally got up to speed on this whole story tonight... the little I had seen on news/online before today had it framed for me as a lynching, innocent black jogger hunted and killed by white men
I’m now up to speed and watched all videos....no way these guys go to jail, they legally did nothing wrong. The “victim” clearly attacked these guys....whether they were ethically right or wrong in trying to apprehend/follow him is irrelevant as that isn’t illegal. The “victim” unfortunately made an awful decision in trying to attack, and something bad happened. End of story
I’m now up to speed and watched all videos....no way these guys go to jail, they legally did nothing wrong. The “victim” clearly attacked these guys....whether they were ethically right or wrong in trying to apprehend/follow him is irrelevant as that isn’t illegal. The “victim” unfortunately made an awful decision in trying to attack, and something bad happened. End of story
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:50 pm to Bard
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They were under no such threat. There were two of them versus the lone Arbery who was attempting to avoid confrontation.
The guy who was clearly trying to run away tried to defend himself when Didn’t let him run away and drew our guns on him. Clearly justifiable homicide.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:51 pm to JPLSU1981
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whether they were right or wrong in trying to apprehend him is irrelevant as that isn’t illegal.
It actually is. Thus the arrests and them being in jail and stuff.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:52 pm to JPLSU1981
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I finally got up to speed on this whole story tonight... the little I had seen on news/online before today had it framed for me as a lynching, innocent black jogger hunted and killed by white men
I’m now up to speed and watched all videos....no way these guys go to jail, they did nothing wrong. The “victim” clearly attacked these guys....whether they were right or wrong in trying to apprehend him is irrelevant as that isn’t illegal. The “victim” unfortunately made an awful decision in trying to attack, and something bad happened. End of story
You are clearly not up to speed if you think Arbery was the ‘attacker’ lmao. You miss the whole part where he was chased down and intentionally confronted with brandished firearms under the guise of an illegal citizens arrest. Lmao
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