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re: The Truth About Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:06 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:06 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:
Actually, that's false.
No. It's not.
McMichaels is in his front yard as AA is running down the street.
He did NOT see this video prior to decided to chase after AA. We know this for a fact.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:07 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Abrey could’ve just as easily sat on his hands and waited for the cops to be the judge of the situation.
I doubt very many people would just sit on their hands while they are being assaulted.
Pretty weird that they apply this reasoning to the deceased and not the folks charged with murder.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:08 pm to mahdragonz
I've been arguing for the proposition that they're toast, so I really don't feel like making myself crazy by turning around and arguing the complete opposite. But we can probably all agree that they're gonna indeed have a defense of some sort. Also agree that the defense(s) will be based on their assertion that it was a legit citizens arrest and legit self-defense. But again, I'm not going to make the effort here to flesh that out. I'm gonna avoid those vibes.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:08 pm to xGeauxLSUx
No. It’s not false. There’s a video of a person matching Arbery’s descriptions being in what looks to be the same property previous to the day the McMichaels confronted him.
And there was no burglary. You can keep saying burglary. But it wasn’t a burglary.
And there was no burglary. You can keep saying burglary. But it wasn’t a burglary.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:11 pm to the808bass
quote:
. It’s not false. There’s a video of a person matching Arbery’s descriptions being in what looks to be the same property previous to the day the McMichaels confronted him.
A video of a person the McMichaels didn't see?
That's some magic there.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:12 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:Sure.
I think there’s merit to debating/interpreting some of the legalities involved (citizens arrest, following, reasonable action).
quote:And then your first post in this thread was about how this white supremacist had convinced you that there is 0% chance these guys go to prison. Maybe you shouldn't be so gullible?
I However was kind of appalled to find out this case isn’t close to Being what has been presented to me by the news and friends. The Atlanta mayor told me on TV today there was a “lynching.”
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:12 pm to mahdragonz
It’s from a previous day. So it was one that the McMichaels had seen.
But it’s still not a reason for a citizens arrest.
But it’s still not a reason for a citizens arrest.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:13 pm to ShortyRob
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They're totally going to walk and, people are going to melt the frick down.
Its just the opposite, actually
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:14 pm to davyjones
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Also agree that the defense(s) will be based on their assertion that it was a legit citizens arrest and legit self-defense. But again, I'm not going to make the effort here to flesh that out. I'm gonna avoid those vibes.
Gonna be tough to defend that considering its inconsistent with mcmichaels own description of what happened. He said he went to confront arbery because there were recent break ins, not that he had any direct knowledge of a current crime occurring.
Gonna have to argue that mcmichaels’ description was inaccurate which is a whole other set of problems since that would means he lied to police at the time. Also they’re gonna have to argue who called the police reporting trespassing, and the police reports saying they were investigating trespassing were all wrong.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:17 pm to AMS
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Gonna have to argue that mcmichaels’ description was inaccurate which is a whole other set of problems since that would means he lied to police at the time.
Yea I wonder what they're going to argue when the prosecution brings up the fact that McMichael's statements to the police don't match up with the video at all. That will be interesting.
McMichael lies and says they they pulled alongside AA and that's when Jr. exited the truck and AA made his infamous left turn. McMichael seems to forget (lol) that they were already stopped and outside of the vehicle while AA is still several yards away.
Why did McMichael lie about that?
From the police report:
quote:
McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted " stop stop , we want to talk to you " . Michael stated they pulled up beside the male and
shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun .
McMichael stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis
We have video evidence that the bolded part did not occur. They were already out of the truck and Travis was several feet to the left of the vehicle, standing in the opposite lane, PRIOR to AA approaching the vehicle.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:28 pm to AMS
I'm with you. I don't think they'll be successful in their defense(s). But their attorneys will come up with something to throw out there. They really won't have much choice. There are some arguments to be had, I just don't think they're credible.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:28 pm to SammyTiger
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They didn’t have the intent of murdering him, but they also didn’t have a right to stop him or shoot him.
But the ambush/unlawful detainment was PRE MEDITATED.
Murder One.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:30 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Per Georgia law:
quote:
(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:
(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or
(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.
If someone blocks you from proceeding down a public road and they have a gun, are you telling me you wouldn't feel like you're in danger?
And since aggravated assault is a felony, if you end up killing someone in the commission of that crime, it's murder.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:30 pm to CDawson
quote:You mean the truck that was parked in the street for the sole purpose of confronting Arbery? The truck driven by an armed man who had exited the truck for the purpose of confronting Arbery? The armed man who moved to cut off Arbery after he went to the right to evade?
Right, which is why out of 15 possible directions he could have run he went straight to the truck
But just to be super clear, since the perps had him blocked front and back on the public road, are you suggesting that he should have trespassed on private property? Would that have been the best course of action? You already know that several of the neighbors are crazy and seemingly homicidal, why would you think anyone's property around there is safe to enter? And what gives you the idea these guys would just give up at that point? They have already gone to extreme measures, and they have two vehicles and you're on foot.
They forced a confrontation, plain and simple. And forcing a confrontation with gun in hand is aggravated assault, a felony. And if you kill someone while you are committing a felony, you are a murderer.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:31 pm to davyjones
quote:
I'm with you. I don't think they'll be successful in their defense(s). But their attorneys will come up with something to throw out there. They really won't have much choice. There are some arguments to be had, I just don't think they're credible
Yea were on the same page. A defense attoney has to come up with a defense lol thats kind of their job. However its not a credible defense, mcmichaels and son vigilante corp is toast.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:32 pm to Korkstand
Give it a fricking rest, man.
Jesus. Have you done anything the last five days but bitch about this.
Maybe go for a jog...
Jesus. Have you done anything the last five days but bitch about this.
Maybe go for a jog...
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:43 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:Nah, I'm good.
Give it a fricking rest, man.
quote:Plenty. You?
Jesus. Have you done anything the last five days but bitch about this.
quote:I did that today. Thankfully, I wasn't assaulted and I didn't have to defend myself.
Maybe go for a jog...
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:44 pm to 1999
quote:
Pretty much my thoughts.
If people are honest with themselves, the circumstances matter for 99.99% of us. If a white guy walks through Harlem telling people Jesus loves them and gets his arse beat, we don’t view that the same way as a white guy walking through Harlem with a White Power shirt who gets his arse beat. We can firmly believe that violence because of what somebody says is wrong and still have less sympathy for the second arse beating.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:06 am to Korkstand
quote:
Plenty. You?
Yeah. I forgot you were in the other thread non-stop talking about the Corona Virus killing everyone and knighting for a longer shutdown.
Between this topic and the virus; it’s pretty clear you have an agenda.
Put your skinny jeans back on and go back to making my coffee.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:13 am to Flats
For me, and I think for a lot of people, it's not so much about how much sympathy we have for the victim as it is about wanting the justice system to work like it's supposed to and be fair to everyone.
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