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Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:26 pm to Pdubntrub
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The building was brought down. There's no other way for it to fall the way it did.
No, tell us exactly how it happened.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:29 pm to SquatchDawg
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If the building was previously rigged to explode....wouldn’t the damage caused by the fall of the other buildings and fires within WT7 disrupt those demolitions and cause early explosions or failures? I would assume fires would wreak havoc with the fuse cords.
Dude, the CIA rigged the twin towers to fall perfectly to where it wouldn't hurt the demo in 7. And they used silent explosives (super classified) to bring down the building.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:31 pm to Pdubntrub
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Why would the steel columns on floors or areas that weren't on fire collapse at the exact same time as columns in the heart of the fire?
The most plausible theory is they were cut with thermite. That's why molten steel was found several days later at the sites of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Jet fuel and office furniture fires cannot melt steel. Molten steel was not found at WTC 5 and 6 that had fires, lots of damage and did not collapse (WTC 6 partially collapsed).
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:35 pm to upgrayedd
The whole theory about those buildings being wired to fall...which would take a helluva undertaking....and then coming off without a hitch...doesn’t compute.
If you were going that route why screw with planes? It would easier to fake another basement bombing and then pull the cord claiming the foundation was destroyed. Same outcome...fewer moving parts.
If you were going that route why screw with planes? It would easier to fake another basement bombing and then pull the cord claiming the foundation was destroyed. Same outcome...fewer moving parts.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:37 pm to SquatchDawg
You have to suspend reality to believe in this stuff.
When you get into the minutiae of the details, it falls apart.
When you get into the minutiae of the details, it falls apart.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:39 pm to GumboPot
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Jet fuel and office furniture fires cannot melt steel.
You can forge steel with a wood fired forge and a blower. There are vitrified forts in the UK where rocks were melted using stacked wood (or aliens depending on your lean) over 1000 years ago.
Not saying this answers all the questions...but this logic is wrong.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:41 pm to upgrayedd
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No, tell us exactly how it happened.
I don't know, there's so much out there with 9/11 it's hard to say. I doubt Bin Laden and his crew could've pulled this off alone. They supposedly brought down 3 skyscrapers and hit the Pentagon with 3 planes. I don't think George Bush and Dick Cheney took office and said we're bringing down the world trade centers and taking a shot at the Pentagon either. They both seem ridiculous to me.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:44 pm to upgrayedd
It really does.
So yeah cellphones back then worked just fine. I've established in this thread one of the attacking planes never breached 30k, that cellphone calls could be made from 30k. That the targets were well under 10k. I also as a bonus gave out the entire 3.2 trillion. Quote.
Others have gone over the buildings falls.
So 9/11 truthers can collectivily suck my dick and rim my a-hole. You chickenshit wastes of breath and space, be fricking useful.
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all depends on where the phone is, says Marco Thompson, president of the San Diego Telecom Council. “Cell phones are not designed to work on a plane. Although they do.” The rough rule is that when the plane is slow and over a city, the phone will work up to 10,000 feet or so. “Also, it depends on how fast the plane is moving and its proximity to antennas,” Thompson says. “At 30,000 feet, it may work momentarily while near a cell site, but it’s chancy and the connection won’t last.” Also, the hand-off process from cell site to cell site is more difficult. It is created for a maximum speed of 60 mph to 100 mph. “They are not built for 400 mph airplanes.”
So yeah cellphones back then worked just fine. I've established in this thread one of the attacking planes never breached 30k, that cellphone calls could be made from 30k. That the targets were well under 10k. I also as a bonus gave out the entire 3.2 trillion. Quote.
Others have gone over the buildings falls.
So 9/11 truthers can collectivily suck my dick and rim my a-hole. You chickenshit wastes of breath and space, be fricking useful.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:47 pm to SquatchDawg
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You can forge steel with a wood fired forge and a blower.
Melting temperature and forging temperature are two different temperatures. Steel melts at just above 2,700 degrees F. Forging temperature is about 1,200 degrees F. Forging temperature could bring a structural steel building down. Beams would fail under those temperatures.
The explanation for molten steel in terms of flowing steel and spheroids found at WTC 1, 2, and 7 is a mystery absent theories like the use of thermite.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:51 pm to ZappBrannigan
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So 9/11 truthers can collectivily suck my dick and rim my a-hole. You chicken shite wastes of breath and space, be fricking useful.
You are so damn angry at people for not believing their government. Why should they believe our government's narrative? I'm not smart enough to know about engineering, architecture and the demolition of structures, but I know for certain that 90% of what comes out of the mouth of American politicians and bureaucrats is complete and utter bullshite. If you want to get mad, get mad at the government. Their decades of dishonesty is why people buy into these conspiracy theories.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:55 pm to Pdubntrub
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I don't know
As predicted
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:56 pm to SquatchDawg
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I would assume that if one floor collapsed bringing the full weight of the upper floor down on the lower this would create a hell of a lot of downward force instantaneously.
Right but that's not free fall. Free fall is something falling where gravity is the only force acting upon it. A rock falls at free fall speed, if it hits a stick it's no longer at free fall speed. Every column on every floor at the same time.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:05 pm to saints5021
Government was behind it
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:09 pm to SCLibertarian
1) It offends me that one of the bloodiest days of our modern history is full of chickenshits like you larping x-files and Homeland. Yeah the Patriot act happened. It was opportunity not planning. Our govt has always excelled at siezing the day.
2) Russia would be waving that flag all day of that dog hunted.
3) Arabs attacked our people successfully and horribly. Full fricking stop. They celebrated over our shed blood. Humilated our customs. But we are stronger, we lost our way for a bit. But where else in the world but America can we pass laws like the Patriot act and still debate it as bad law. We can pull it back. Might be our kids that do. But only if we don't fill their heads full of lies.
2) Russia would be waving that flag all day of that dog hunted.
3) Arabs attacked our people successfully and horribly. Full fricking stop. They celebrated over our shed blood. Humilated our customs. But we are stronger, we lost our way for a bit. But where else in the world but America can we pass laws like the Patriot act and still debate it as bad law. We can pull it back. Might be our kids that do. But only if we don't fill their heads full of lies.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 5:35 pm to Pdubntrub
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Why would the steel columns on floors or areas that weren't on fire collapse at the exact same time as columns in the heart of the fire?
I'm a realistic person, but this is what I have trouble understanding. Doesn't add up that the entire thing would drop perfectly symmetrically when the fire exposure wasn't perfectly even across the building.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:50 pm to TheBoo
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I'm a realistic person, but this is what I have trouble understanding. Doesn't add up that the entire thing would drop perfectly symmetrically when the fire exposure wasn't perfectly even across the building.
I get it, but there's no way you could mask the sound of 85 explosions
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:52 pm to upgrayedd
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Thoughts on 9/11
Posted on 9/11/18 at 6:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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When someone says "Bush did 911"
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:18 pm to saints5021
I'm too dumb to understand the physics/engineering etc. to be able to take a side on the controlled demolition stuff, but I will never believe the official story on Building 7. The government has more and better experts than anyone else to the point it's almost impossible to fight them on physical evidence arguments like with JFK.
I think you have to focus on non-physical evidence. Sibel Edmonds was telling us 10-15 years ago about stuff being hinted at in the Q thread. A lot of our government computer and security systems are basically being run by people with ties to terrorists, probably because we are being sold out.
I seem to recall the heads of our Senate and House intel committees met on the morning of 9/11 with a Pakistani guy who reportedly wired $100,000 to Atta. Condi did, too.
If you believe the hijackers were patsies, you probably have to buy into the remote control theories. But, I still think the airphone/cell phone calls are the one thread holding the official story together. Were those faked? Were the people on the ground who received them lying? Maybe the "hijackers" thought they were carrying out some drills and got double crossed, while the people on the planes thought the drills were real.
I do like this guy's theory on the wargames intentionally pulling away defense at a minimum. I know most on this board will dismiss the motive, but the means and opportunity are there.
Simplifying the Case Against Dick Cheney.
While I think the wargames angle is on the right track, I doubt Cheney would be running the operation. It would be more of a private contractor or military/intel deal, like Operation Northwoods was supposed to be. Building 7 with its super duper reinforced bunker and government tenants would have been the perfect place run it.
I think you have to focus on non-physical evidence. Sibel Edmonds was telling us 10-15 years ago about stuff being hinted at in the Q thread. A lot of our government computer and security systems are basically being run by people with ties to terrorists, probably because we are being sold out.
I seem to recall the heads of our Senate and House intel committees met on the morning of 9/11 with a Pakistani guy who reportedly wired $100,000 to Atta. Condi did, too.
If you believe the hijackers were patsies, you probably have to buy into the remote control theories. But, I still think the airphone/cell phone calls are the one thread holding the official story together. Were those faked? Were the people on the ground who received them lying? Maybe the "hijackers" thought they were carrying out some drills and got double crossed, while the people on the planes thought the drills were real.
I do like this guy's theory on the wargames intentionally pulling away defense at a minimum. I know most on this board will dismiss the motive, but the means and opportunity are there.
Simplifying the Case Against Dick Cheney.
While I think the wargames angle is on the right track, I doubt Cheney would be running the operation. It would be more of a private contractor or military/intel deal, like Operation Northwoods was supposed to be. Building 7 with its super duper reinforced bunker and government tenants would have been the perfect place run it.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 7:26 pm
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