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re: Time for a poli board poll
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:53 pm to Jbird
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:53 pm to Jbird
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So in theory for a lifetime.
no, but there are so many variables that have an impact on how i would answer that question and i just don't have the data (nor the time to dig through it all) to give you a responsible answer. I would literally just be picking a number out of thin air based on my own whims and prejudices, which is of course a ridiculous and irresponsible thing to do.
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:54 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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increase the oversight over people collecting in order to ensure they are looking for work actively
Not necessary if people know the gravy train will eventually end.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:54 pm to BOSCEAUX
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he came to work with us because drawing unemployment was shameful to him. He's the exception and I applaud his efforts.
Pass along a
from me to him. I'd like to think most people would do almost anything to get off the government's dime but I know that's not so. Too many YouTube videos of people celebrating their ability to play the system.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:55 pm to BOSCEAUX
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First I think it's more than a few bad apples, I'll be conservative and say 40 to 50%.
What are you basing this on? What Rush and Brit Hume told you?
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Such as? So was the government doing a bad thing prior to the extension of unemployment benefits?
no, but there are so many variables
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:More government is certainly not the solution here.
why don't we just increase the oversight
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:03 pm to Maxx99
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More government is certainly not the solution here.
So rather than fix problems within the system to eliminate free riders, you'd rather just throw all of our most vulnerable citizens out into the wilderness? And you wonder why the right has a perception problem?
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Once again drac is right. Isn't the argument in favor of letting everyone have a gun that you can't punish responsible people for the actions of a few bad apples?
same thing here
same thing here
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:06 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Unemployment is in the Constitution?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
And cradle to grave is winning.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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What are you basing this on? What Rush and Brit Hume told you?
I don't listen to either of those guys. Basically the amount of people in my life that I have known (throughout the country) on unemployment that either did or didn't take advantage of it.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:07 pm to Zach
A
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:08 pm to Zach
a. Yes, it's AN incentive. Of course, there is a lot more going on. As benefits are capped, UEI payments are not going to provide much in the way of a disincentive for higher wage earners to find work because you can't live in the Garden District, send your kids to Newman, etc. on UEI.
In a perfect world, we would be looking at hard at determining what the right amount of UEI benefits given current conditions, incentives, and so forth. Instead, you have the left merely wanting to give money away because it is generally popular, and as George Will has stated, the left's answer to any problem is ... "MORE!" On the hard right, you have people going all Ayn Rand and hollering about people living it up on $250 per week (or whatever it is) which is a pretty awful message for conservatives to send when a great many of swing voters have either receive UEI themselves or know good people who have. Sigh ....
My admittedly political proposal: be the "voice of reason," acknowledge the potential drag on the economy created by paying UEI for so long while also sympathizing with the plight of the long term unemployed, and then offer to split the difference with the Dems, depriving them of an issue or making them appear extreme.
In a perfect world, we would be looking at hard at determining what the right amount of UEI benefits given current conditions, incentives, and so forth. Instead, you have the left merely wanting to give money away because it is generally popular, and as George Will has stated, the left's answer to any problem is ... "MORE!" On the hard right, you have people going all Ayn Rand and hollering about people living it up on $250 per week (or whatever it is) which is a pretty awful message for conservatives to send when a great many of swing voters have either receive UEI themselves or know good people who have. Sigh ....
My admittedly political proposal: be the "voice of reason," acknowledge the potential drag on the economy created by paying UEI for so long while also sympathizing with the plight of the long term unemployed, and then offer to split the difference with the Dems, depriving them of an issue or making them appear extreme.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:09 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Basically the amount of people in my life that I have known (throughout the country) on unemployment that either did or didn't take advantage of it.
oh okay. anecdotal evidence. very reliable
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
How many actually collected unemployment?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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oh okay. anecdotal evidence. very reliable
It's more evidence than the "very few bad apples crowd" has given.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:13 pm to Rex
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Do unemployment benefits decrease the incentive to find a job? Of course they do.
But Rex, Paul Krugman says it's a fallacy. It was in his NYT column yesterday. He's a genius. Krugman can't be wrong.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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i think for the vast majority of people, the answer is b.
I don't think you know what majority means.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:27 pm to Zach
a.
If I was starving to death and needed a job to get food, it wouldn't matter how shitty that job was, I would take it if I could find it.
If my needs are all met (housing assistance, nutritional assistance, medicaid, unemployment insurance, ect) why would I need to work? Sure, working might get me better off than my current level of benefits, but it's not only risky that I might not improve my lot at all, but I have to work for it, and I lose my benefits if as much as try. That's a huge disincentive.
If I was starving to death and needed a job to get food, it wouldn't matter how shitty that job was, I would take it if I could find it.
If my needs are all met (housing assistance, nutritional assistance, medicaid, unemployment insurance, ect) why would I need to work? Sure, working might get me better off than my current level of benefits, but it's not only risky that I might not improve my lot at all, but I have to work for it, and I lose my benefits if as much as try. That's a huge disincentive.
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