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re: Trump going after social conservatives again
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:19 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:19 am to squid_hunt
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People don't like abortion for convenience in any manner
I loathe it, and will ridicule anyone who supports it, but its a losing political strategy.
Most Americans have given up any ideals related to personal responsibility. They'll punish you for holding them to it.
Abortionists are shitty excuses for human beings, but they are in the majority.
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:19 am to squid_hunt
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People don't like abortion.
You know what they don't like more? Making abortion illegal with no exceptions.
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That is a winning and relatable issue a
LINK?
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The end result is a controlled retreat from everything and a consistent losing record.
2022 was one of the most historic Ls ever taken by an opposition party. Extremist abortion boogeymen were a major part in that L.
2 super red states couldn't even get absolute abortion restrictions passed. You think this strategy will work in purple states?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:20 am to squid_hunt
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Late onset TDS can do that.
But I don't have TDS
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:21 am to burger bearcat
quote:Trump did tout the Hobbs victory.
Huh, what am I missing? Isn't that my complaint, that Republicans (including Trunmp) have shied away from the RvW victory after 50 years of work to get it done. Trump was out bragging about the vaccines, instead of touting the huge dobbs victory that he was directly involved with making happen. And now seems to almost be ashamed of it.
Happily married with 4 kids we did not kill
You do realize the Hobbs victory did not ban abortions, right? It passed it to States rights.
It is a victory because R v W was flawed
Pence announced a national complete abortion ban. So you are the 1% or so that votes for Pence in primary polls?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:24 am to burger bearcat
So he goes after social conservatives and was a big spender—-what would you describe him as politically??
What is the word???
I think it starts with a “L”.
What is the word???
I think it starts with a “L”.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:25 am to DesScorp
quote:Being an Absolutist SoCon is not the ONLY measure of "conservatism."quote:No. They don’t. Because they are, by definition, not conservative if they do.
Even conservative women have abortions.
Hope this helps, Angus.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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2022 was one of the most historic Ls ever taken by an opposition party. Extremist abortion boogeymen
A boogyman is by definition a caricature. Your point? The right didn't even try to make a reasonable argument.
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2 super red states couldn't even get absolute abortion restrictions passed. You think this strategy will work in purple states?
Republicans ran away from the issue. The first thing out of the box on the day after the election was a whole slew of posts on here about how abortion is a failed issue and we need to just concede 100%. No.
Once again, what were Republicans running on in 2022? You seem to want to ignore that because it's inconvenient to your point. They ran on nothing other than get Trump. That was their only message.
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LINK?
Plenty of polls out there showing people want restrictions on abortions. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Go find them.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:25 am to cajunangelle
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You do realize the Hobbs victory did not ban abortions, right? It passed it to States rights.
It is a victory because R v W was flawed
The problem for the GOP was primarily 3 issues.
1. They cannot disseminate messaging for shite, and they allowed the DEMs to frame the issue, as always.
2. The most energized population of the GOP was the crazy extremists, who got the loudest voice in celebration.
3. Many states had old, "no exception" laws on the books, which prevented a more moderate approach to the state-based issue post-Hobbs. This amplified the messaging referenced in #1 and created fear porn easily distributed nationwide.
Now, what we see is a politician who understands the data and polling, making a conservative (but not extremist) position that is palatable to most of America and the extremists are melting down over it and turning their back on him. What will be the messaging? That it's a state's right issue? No. It will be focused on the extremist melting down because Trump wasn't extreme enough for them.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:27 am to squid_hunt
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A boogyman is by definition a caricature. Your point? The right didn't even try to make a reasonable argument
Because they had already shackled themselves to extremists.
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Republicans ran away from the issue.
Because it's a loser
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The first thing out of the box on the day after the election was a whole slew of posts on here about how abortion is a failed issue and we need to just concede 100%.
Giving 3 small exceptions is nohwere near 100%
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Plenty of polls out there showing people want restrictions on abortions.
Absolute restrictions? No exceptions?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't even know what TDS is, anymore,
When my children were young I had to explain to them why it was stupid to use words they didn't understand. You need to hear that as an adult?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:28 am to Flats
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When my children were young I had to explain to them why it was stupid to use words they didn't understand. You need to hear that as an adult?
Uh, I'm not the one who keeps changing the definition of TDS making it incomprehensible, just like "globalism", et al.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:29 am to squid_hunt
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Republicans ran away from the issue.
The mainstream did, for sure.
However, most media content followed the Anti Abortionists so the pop culture folks don't understand the difference.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
this is just Trump deflecting from his failures in the mid terms.
Herschel was his man and had a strong anti abortion stance (except it seems when it applied to his women).
Herschel was his man and had a strong anti abortion stance (except it seems when it applied to his women).
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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making it incomprehensible,
So it's incomprehensible but you want to spam the board with it because you think ....... what, exactly? That it's clever?
Again, the intelligent way to use it would be in conversations with the subset of the forum who plays it like a leftist plays the race card. But you do you.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Back in my college days, waiting tables, we'd have a problem with the glasses. The dishwasher used scalding hot water, so when the glasses came out, if we put ice and liquid in them, they'd crack and of course they'd go into the garbage. Then we had fewer glasses, which meant they had to be washed more frequently, which meant they spent a larger % of their lifespan being hot, which led to more broken glasses, then fewer glasses, and the problem escalated exponentially.
Moral: things take time, and if you rush them, you'll end up with nothing. And by "nothing", I don't just mean abortions until the age of 18, I mean you will own nothing and be "happy."
Moral: things take time, and if you rush them, you'll end up with nothing. And by "nothing", I don't just mean abortions until the age of 18, I mean you will own nothing and be "happy."
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:38 am to squid_hunt
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Plenty of polls out there showing people want restrictions on abortions.
about 3/4 Americans do.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:40 am to Flats
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So it's incomprehensible but you want to spam the board with it because you think ....... what, exactly? That it's clever?
It falls within their self-created malleable term.
Are you now claiming this board doesn't support pointing out when things are (D)ifferent?
You may want to go look on page 1 to police some threads, then *
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Again, the intelligent way to use it would be in conversations with the subset of the forum who plays it like a leftist plays the race card
I, uh, did that.
*ETA: Damn my timing was impeccable
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:42 am to I B Freeman
quote:Herschel's "easy target" quality was greater than his "bad candidate" quality, but shite, he was a better man than every elected Democrat since Zell Miller. You don't get to mock Herschel Walker in any honest forum when you look at the pathetic, evil, deformed nerds that define the Democrat Party.
Herschel was his man and had a strong anti abortion stance (except it seems when it applied to his women).
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:44 am to I B Freeman
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this is just Trump deflecting from his failures in the mid terms.
Trump is really good at retro framing stories to appeal to his people.
The truth is, people just have Trump fatigue.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, the intelligent way to use it would be in conversations with the subset of the forum who plays it like a leftist plays the race card
I don't track every poster but I don't think squid_hunt fits that definition. But again, you do you. TDSTDSTDSTDSTDSTDSTDS!!!! CUCKCUCKCUCKCUCK!!!! Yay, conversation.
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