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re: Trump going after social conservatives again
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:49 pm to VolcanicTiger
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:49 pm to VolcanicTiger
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If the abortion purists are going to pussy out because they only got a 99% and not a 100%, then you're being narcissistic.
I'm not naive enough to think there shouldn't be any pragmatism to advance the issue.
I am well aware of where this issue currently stands in our current political climate.
My issue with Trump here is a couple things. For one, he is basically gaslighting his own supporters with Democrat talking points. The Dobbs decision had nothing to do with what he was talking about. And it was his own GD justices that made the ruling in the first place, and he ran on electing pro-life judges and justices. I personally don't think there should be any abortion, but am fine with it being a states issue for now. No one was even pushing for no rape or no incest anyways, so why even bring it up.
The other issue is he working to push the Overton window their direction on this issue. It's obvious Trump is just sticking his finger in the air and reading the wind, he feels this issue is no longer beneficial to him and his electability, so he will not only abandon it but push the issue to their side further.
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:49 pm to burger bearcat
Very presidential rhetoric.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:50 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Trump is right on this one.
Maybe. One thing is certain, there are a lot of so called conservatives/republicans who are totally inline with the Dims on the social justice BS. Maybe they’re more hawkish fiscally speaking? I’m not sure.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:50 pm to CAPEX
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Even conservative women have abortions.
-“we don’t need their votes”-
Half the poli board
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:51 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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This is bull shite. The number of women gained by allowing abortion in these 3 cases will absolutely crush the no exceptions crowd.
My employer hosted RvW sessions after the repeal. Women are scared they won't be able to choose between themselves and the baby. If they have that peace of mind, then they will be open to voting against Dems.
Lindsey Graham as others have said absolutely sabotaged the midterms with his 0 exceptions remarks.
The only way conservatives take back the majority is by being the party of freedom and medical autonomy. Your point is valid, but it's not as though all women will get abortions in these cases, they just don't want to be forced one way.
Abortion is non-negotiable issue for a lot of people, and guess who they vote for? If you turn your support from this issue it will insure huge failure for the GOP. Trump is a moron for attacking us. I am one of those Catholics who only came over to the right for the social issues, I will leave if they are abandoned and our numbers are enough to tip an election.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:52 pm to POTUS2024
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Trump didn't come out against the Graham proposal when it was made public, so, I'm leaning more toward it not being a shot at Graham, and just Trump trying to carve out a position on abortion, which is dumb now that Roe is overturned.
You don't want to provide any more attention to the statement than necessary. If Trump says, "No Graham, there should be exceptions." Not only does he give the thought more spotlight, but the leftist media will say he's lying and that he's on board.
Look at how the system turned on him when the midterms didn't go as anticipated.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:54 pm to aubie101
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We maybe small, but you are absolutely screwed without us. Good luck with this stance.
We're screwed with you as a national party if you refuse to bend from your righteous stance on abortion.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:59 pm to BuckyCheese
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We're screwed with you as a national party if you refuse to bend from your righteous stance on abortion
You can say that all you want. But I can tell you for a fact, there are many people who are Uber loyal Republican voters for this issue specifically, and maybe a few other social issues (that the GOP is also slowly abandoning). I have been involved in pro-life activism and know these people. If the GOP abandons the issue they are done with the party. I'm not sure who they plan on replacing them with.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:59 pm to BuckyCheese
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We're screwed with you as a national party if you refuse to bend from your righteous stance on abortion.
The abortion issue did not kill the GOP 2022. But in regards to this murder is negotiable. I am fine with the state level fights, but if the GOP does not support our passing of laws to prevent murder then it will be a revolt within our ranks. We need each other unfortunately, I do not like being grouped together with libertarians and baby murderers. So we need to just accept that each has their issues and move on. I voted GOP even though I do not support much of the other things they push.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:00 pm to aubie101
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Abortion is non-negotiable issue for a lot of people, and guess who they vote for? If you turn your support from this issue it will insure huge failure for the GOP.
Funny because you literally said on page 1 that you're a small group. Which is it?
You can vote for 3 exceptions in fringe cases or you can allow those that want abortion all the way up until birth allowed. It's your choice
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:01 pm to burger bearcat
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You can say that all you want. But I can tell you for a fact, there are many people who are Uber loyal Republican voters for this issue specifically, and maybe a few other social issues (that the GOP is also slowly abandoning). I have been involved in pro-life activism and know these people. If the GOP abandons the issue they are done with the party. I'm not sure who they plan on replacing them with.
I am active in the movement, of course we would bolt. It has always been a marriage of convenience, not always of lockstep beliefs.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:01 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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Lindsey Graham as others have said absolutely sabotaged the midterms with his 0 exceptions remarks.
Not just him. Texas and Louisiana legislatures and Jeff Landry deserve their share of blame. They drove a lot of female turnout.
Letting states come up with parallel and independent solutions to the issue is the ideal, but in practice, the internet ensures that people will know about the extreme and noteworthy viewpoints of both sides of an issue and get riled up. In 2023 there is no such thing as “parallel and independent”
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:02 pm to aubie101
So if republicans are not hard line on abortion you evangelicals will vote for democrats.
The party that pushes and celebrates things like transgenderism, single motherhood, 100+ genders, unlimited abortion up to birth, etc.
Yeah, that sounds like an educated choice.
The party that pushes and celebrates things like transgenderism, single motherhood, 100+ genders, unlimited abortion up to birth, etc.
Yeah, that sounds like an educated choice.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:03 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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Funny because you literally said on page 1 that you're a small group. Which is it?
You can vote for 3 exceptions in fringe cases or you can allow those that want abortion all the way up until birth allowed. It's your choice
I will say it slow for you to understand. Small part of the electorate, but guess who we vote for and represent enough of a vote to screw the GOP. We make up a sizeable piece of the GOP base.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:04 pm to chalmetteowl
Fair.
The left uses radicals to turn out support for their cause just like the right does.
I can understand and empathize with the sanctity of life argument, but then it's immediately nullified by forcing ideology on others.
The left uses radicals to turn out support for their cause just like the right does.
I can understand and empathize with the sanctity of life argument, but then it's immediately nullified by forcing ideology on others.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:04 pm to burger bearcat
I agree with Trump on this
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:04 pm to aubie101
Frick you and your "evangelical" base, you blowhard
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:05 pm to papasmurf1269
What Trump fails to mention is he supported the WI governor candidate that was against abortion in all cases over candidates that were not as hard core on the issue.
Michels kissed the ring though, so that's all that mattered.
Michels kissed the ring though, so that's all that mattered.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:06 pm to aubie101
I'll say it slow for you as well Aubie.
When you screw the GOP the Dems win and they will push for and allow for many more abortions.
When you screw the GOP the Dems win and they will push for and allow for many more abortions.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:06 pm to BuckyCheese
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if republicans are not hard line on abortion you evangelicals will vote for democrats.
The party that pushes and celebrates things like transgenderism, single motherhood, 100+ genders, unlimited abortion up to birth, etc.
Yeah, that sounds like an educated choice.
Nope, stay home or swing behind a 3rd party. Do you think you can control us? American Solidarity Party would look very attractive. I will never vote Democrat, but I will never bend on this issue.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 10:07 pm
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