- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: What's the Left's next big SJW plight?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:08 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:08 pm to FooManChoo
quote:i don't like the concept of your name being written in the book of life before you even exist. i understand that god is all knowing, but do we truly have free will if it has already been predestine?
Most Christians believe in predestination because it is a doctrine that is very clear in the Bible. What different Christians disagree on is how God predestines: does He know what people will do and react to it with election, or does God elect based on His own sovereign will?
2
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:13 pm to Machine
quote:
how many accounts of Jesus outside the NT have you read?
Other faiths acknowledge Jesus and hold him as a prophet such as Islam. Are you claiming he didn't exist by this line of questioning?
quote:
because when you say things like "non-cult Christinaity" you seem to imply because you follow the book compiled 300 years after Jesus' death, you aren't the crazy one...
I reject your premise but I am not implying I am not the crazy one, I am stating it boldly that I am not...I have no need to simply imply anything.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:19 pm to Crimson1st
quote:
Other faiths acknowledge Jesus and hold him as a prophet such as Islam. Are you claiming he didn't exist by this line of questioning?
divinity of Jesus wasn't "made official" until the Council of Nicaea in 325, some 300 years after the death of Jesus.
why do you put stock in the word of people who lived 10 plus generations after Jesus did?
what makes the books that made the NT superior to the ones cast aside?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:21 pm to Machine
quote:Most people I've discussed this topic with feel the same way. There's something about humans wanting to be in control of their lives that makes them hate the idea of God being sovereign over all things; we don't seem to want to give up control to anyone, even God.
i don't like the concept of your name being written in the book of life before you even exist. i understand that god is all knowing, but do we truly have free will if it has already been predestine?
When I talk about free will, I try to distinguish between the will of man (our desires that influence our actions) and the volition of man (our ability to act based on our desires/will). I believe that we have the freedom of volition, or the freedom to act according to our wills, but I don't believe we have a free will.
I think that desire plays a huge part in the discussion of "free will". We tend to think that because God predestines everything that we somehow act as robots without thought or feeling or intent. That's not true at all. God uses our intent to accomplish the plans that He ordained in eternity past and because we still have thoughts, feelings, and intent with our actions, we are accountable for what we do.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:25 pm to Machine
quote:The Council "made official" what the Church had already been teaching since the ministry of Christ. Why do you assume that everyone thought and believed differently prior to Nicaea?
divinity of Jesus wasn't "made official" until the Council of Nicaea in 325, some 300 years after the death of Jesus.
why do you put stock in the word of people who lived 10 plus generations after Jesus did?
quote:Have you read them? It's pretty obvious to any New Testament scholar why they were rejected; new writings were coming out claiming to be inspired and part of the Church's scripture and they had to be examined for authenticity (many were named after important Biblical figures to have more credibility) and unity of message with the rest of the scriptures.
what makes the books that made the NT superior to the ones cast aside?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:26 pm to Machine
quote:
i don't like the concept of your name being written in the book of life before you even exist. i understand that god is all knowing, but do we truly have free will if it has already been predestine?
If you're genuinely serious about an answer to this question (and I stress an answer, not the answer...) C.S. Lewis wrote about it some in Mere Christianity.
Essentially, what he says is that our conceptions of "before," "now," and "after" are simply our ways of observing the passage of time. For a supposed being that transcends time, there is no "before," "now," or "after." God is present in all times. So to say that God "knows what you're going to do before you do it" is our frail minds trying to apply our earthly understanding of time to God's work and actions. God "knows what you are going to do" in the future because he/it already exists in the future and can see it in his "present."
if you swish that around in your mind a bit, you can come to an understanding that this potential explanation doesn't impede upon our free will to choose.
Of course, this is all stuff that is beyond our comprehension anyway, so we have to rely on inferior methods of allusion and metaphor.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:30 pm to Alternative Facts
pedophilia
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:47 pm to Alternative Facts
Besides polygamy and pedophilia, to complete the sexual spectrum, I think language will be the next cause championed by the left.
For instance, public schools in which the majority speak a non-English language (such as Spanish) will teach all courses and all kids in that dominant language. None of this dual-language B.S.
But with the shoe on the other foot (majority white schools that speak English), those schools will still have to cater to the minority and teach courses in the minority language while slow-playing the frick out of their progression toward speaking English, if it ever happens at all.
For instance, public schools in which the majority speak a non-English language (such as Spanish) will teach all courses and all kids in that dominant language. None of this dual-language B.S.
But with the shoe on the other foot (majority white schools that speak English), those schools will still have to cater to the minority and teach courses in the minority language while slow-playing the frick out of their progression toward speaking English, if it ever happens at all.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:48 pm to Machine
quote:
nah, i spent the first 25 years of my life indoctrinated into the same line of thinking as you. if it takes fear of hellfire and eternal damnation to make you treat your fellow man decently, so be it. some people are capable of being good people without fear of retribution
And after all those years of study and indoctrination you still seem to think that the redemptive change God brings about in a man is only attributed to that mans own action/inaction on the basis of fear and manipulation.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:57 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Yes. "Sexual liberation" will continue. I don't know if polygamy will be next or if pedophilia, but it will be coming soon.
Ultimately this is rebellion against God. We will continue to regress more and more in the name of progress.
If it's determined that a person is born with whatever abnormal behavior you can imagine....., they will become part of the SJW checklist.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:14 pm to Vastmind
quote:
pedophilia
Only an idiot seriously believes there will be a large push towards a massive acceptance of pedophilia.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:27 pm to DeathValley85
quote:It's all about conditioning. There was a time not too long ago when people thought homosexuality was perverted, unnatural, and not something that should be promoted. Now you're a terrible person if you say anything negative against it.
Only an idiot seriously believes there will be a large push towards a massive acceptance of pedophilia
Posted on 8/7/17 at 2:55 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
It's all about conditioning.
No...it's actually all about consent.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:06 pm to DeathValley85
quote:
No...it's actually all about consent.
In this context, consent is nothing but words on paper and can be changed easily.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:08 pm to DeathValley85
quote:Conditioning can impact attitudes towards what constitutes consent.
No...it's actually all about consent.
Pedophiles are already arguing that children have the ability to consent so we just need to change the laws to allow them to do what they already have the ability to do. So yeah... it's still all about conditioning.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:12 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Conditioning can impact attitudes towards what constitutes consent. Pedophiles are already arguing that children have the ability to consent so we just need to change the laws to allow them to do what they already have the ability to do. So yeah... it's still all about conditioning.
I don't see pedophilia as ever gaining majority support in the U.S.
But, like I said earlier, you can pretty much take it to the bank that we'll be seeing a push to make being fat a civil rights issue when it comes to employment.
As to polygamy. That's going to win out eventually because more and more of us really don't give a frick what you do as an adult with another adult.
And, more and more of us realize that the fact government is required to "approve" marriages is silly in the first place.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:12 pm to DeathValley85
LINK
Salon IS staffed by idiots and SJWs are pretty crazy. If you are so smart what metric would you like to compare?
Salon IS staffed by idiots and SJWs are pretty crazy. If you are so smart what metric would you like to compare?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:26 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
The Council "made official" what the Church had already been teaching since the ministry of Christ. Why do you assume that everyone thought and believed differently prior to Nicaea?
that's inaccurate, there was much disagreement in the early church, and the biggest issue was Jesus' divinity. Logically speaking, if this were not the case, why have the council in which you declare Jesus' divinity? If it were already as widespread among all Christians as you believe, there would have been no need for such a declaration.
quote:yeah, i took a class on the Apocrypha in college as an elective. fascinating stuff. you understand why the early church wouldn't want it getting out as a good bit of it contradicts the "true word of god (as determined by humans 300 years after the death of Jesus)"
Have you read them? It's pretty obvious to any New Testament scholar why they were rejected; new writings were coming out claiming to be inspired and part of the Church's scripture and they had to be examined for authenticity (many were named after important Biblical figures to have more credibility) and unity of message with the rest of the scriptures.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:27 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Yes. "Sexual liberation" will continue. I don't know if polygamy will be next or if pedophilia, but it will be coming soon.
Ultimately this is rebellion against God. We will continue to regress more and more in the name of progress.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 3:42 pm to Machine
quote:Jesus' divinity was taught not only by the apostles but we have writings of the early church fathers, like Polycarp, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr who taught as much.
that's inaccurate, there was much disagreement in the early church, and the biggest issue was Jesus' divinity. Logically speaking, if this were not the case, why have the council in which you declare Jesus' divinity? If it were already as widespread among all Christians as you believe, there would have been no need for such a declaration
You think church councils were gathered in order to create doctrine when in fact they were gathered to settle doctrine. Councils were formed to judge doctrines that popped up to make sure they were consistent with the scriptures. The things that were not consistent were rejected as heresies. Gnosticism, Monatism, and Arianism are examples of heresies that crept in that needed to be condemned. These things weren't taught by the Apostles or Christ, Himself.
The councils affirmed what the Church should believe in the face of heresy (new, unscriptural teachings).
quote:Yeah, a lot of it does contradict the word of God, which is why Christians condemned them. You think that's a bad thing but if the Bible is really God's word, then Christians should not want it mixed with writings that are not the word of God.
yeah, i took a class on the Apocrypha in college as an elective. fascinating stuff. you understand why the early church wouldn't want it getting out as a good bit of it contradicts the "true word of god (as determined by humans 300 years after the death of Jesus)"
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News