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re: Whites have an unfair advantage. BIPOC communities can’t get ahead.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:29 pm to CAPEX
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:29 pm to CAPEX
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some did go to Ivy League schools so if the people I associate with aren't well-read, I've got no clue who you're defining as well-read.
IVY league schools no longer choose the best and brightest, the result is the grads are no longer the best and brightest..
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:29 pm to CAPEX
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Using the same logic, c-suite executives are disproportionately white. Your own logic would suggest that this is indicative of disadvantages that Black Americans face then?
C-suite executives are not chosen to comply with race based rules. That's what aff action is.
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This doesn't prove that at all and if what you're saying is true, it would show that Black Americans have an advantage in one aspect of life as opposed to having more advantages overall.
Circular. You keep saying 'all' and ignore the word 'generally.' Aff action is not 'one' aspect. It's 100s of applications that affect millions of whites putting them at a distinct disadvantage.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:30 pm to Dawgfanman
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No, my logic is that you face a disadvantage, vs Blacks, in getting into that school. Same as you face a disadvantage to obtaining funding for a farm. You might well have an advantage when it comes to something else.
Sure.
And that's my point, I think Black Americans are more disadvantaged than other ethnic groups when we tally advantages and disadvantages.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:31 pm to CAPEX
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You've not explained how though in the slightest. They're both goods distributed to a small number of individuals by the characteristic of their birth.
One is “distributed” by the choice of an individual, the former owner of the property, the other is distributed by a govt who claims to treat everyone equally…
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:32 pm to Zach
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Circular. You keep saying 'all' and ignore the word 'generally.' Aff action is not 'one' aspect. It's 100s of applications that affect millions of whites putting them at a distinct disadvantage.
The evidence doesn't suggest this though.
Whites got an SAT boost of 140 points at elite schools compared with Asians.
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Harvard's own admissions documents suggests that without affirmative action, the percentage of whites would shrink from 40% to 38% without affirmative action while the percentage of Asian Americans would rise to 43% from 30%.
So even your assertion that whites were disadvantaged can be argued against pretty extensively.
And your point about c-suite executives not being chosen based on affirmative action doesn't really relate to the point I was making where I'm pointing out that AA isn't the only example of advantage/disadvantage in America.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:32 pm to CAPEX
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, I think Black Americans are more disadvantaged
Of course you do. A retarded prog not even considering that black people have special protections simply because white progressives don't think black people can survive on their own.
You people think blacks are inferior and cannot succeed without affirmative action
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:34 pm to CAPEX
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I read Bloomberg + I read the private research written by the economics firms my firm employs. I read the FT, the Economist, the NY Times every day
And which of those comes from a conservative viewpoint?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:34 pm to CAPEX
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Sure. And that's my point, I think Black Americans are more disadvantaged than other ethnic groups when we tally advantages and disadvantages.
Maybe. Not when it comes to becoming a farmer or going to college.
Want to go to a good school for free as a black, get 1200 SAT and B average, want to do so at same school as a white 1500 and 4.0 needed.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You people think blacks are inferior and cannot succeed without affirmative action
I'm against affirmative action.
Not sure who you're trying to argue against.
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Of course you do. A retarded prog not even considering that black people have special protections simply because white progressives don't think black people can survive on their own.
I think they can, just that the level of disadvantage that they were exposed to 50 years ago doesn't evaporate over night.
My firm didn't even hire African-Americans 40 years ago and there are people at my firm who've worked here for longer than that.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:37 pm to CAPEX
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I'm against affirmative action.
bullshite. You've lied throughout this thread, you're not stopping now.
Progressives think blacks are incapable of success without white saviors intervening.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:38 pm to Zach
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And which of those comes from a conservative viewpoint?
Did you read my original comment?
I'm not sure you can argue you read 200 articles when you missed where I talked about the Conservative sources I read in the original comment you replied to me about.
My original comment:
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I watch right-wing talk shows, I read the Wall Street Journal, National Review and even Fox News. I listen to talks given by the Federalist Society. I even read research papers published by the Heritage Foundation and the Tax Policy Foundation which advocates for right-wing tax policy.
I read just as much right-wing media as I do left-wing media.
I'm starting to doubt that you read 200 articles when you missed key details within my original comment.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:38 pm to Zach
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And which of those comes from a conservative viewpoint?
Bingo
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:39 pm to CAPEX
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Whites got an SAT boost of 140 points at elite schools compared with Asians.
That means Asians are punished more than Whites in order to accept more Blacks and Hispanics.
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Harvard's own admissions documents suggests that without affirmative action, the percentage of whites would shrink from 40% to 38% without affirmative action while the percentage of Asian Americans would rise to 43% from 30%.
And they are lying. They are only measuring the 2 races, not applying the end of aff action which would result in almost zero blacks. With a static number of students that would result in a much higher percentage of Asians and a slightly higher percentage of whites.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:39 pm to CAPEX
I think the problem here is CAPEX was born into privilege and thinks all whites were as well. I can assure you that isn’t the case with my family. I was mill village trash.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bull shite. You've lied throughout this thread, you're not stopping now.
Frick off.
Read my original comment where I talk about how Asians are systematically disadvantaged by affirmative action and then try to argue that I'm somehow for affirmative action.
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You've lied throughout this thread, you're not stopping now.
I've not lied anywhere so I'd love to know where you think I'm lying 'throughout' the thread.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:41 pm to flyAU
BIPOC = "Everyone but Whitey" = Oven-Stuffer Language.
Most people under a certain age, and most American minorities, are genocidal and have forfeited whatever legitimate say they ever had in anything.
Most people under a certain age, and most American minorities, are genocidal and have forfeited whatever legitimate say they ever had in anything.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:43 pm to Dawgfanman
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I think the problem here is CAPEX was born into privilege and thinks all whites were as well.
1) He was born on third base, thinks all white people were.
2) His dumb arse has never lived around poor people, yet he's an expert. (Hank disease)
3) His money and wealth depend on him supporting retarded social positions.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:44 pm to Zach
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And they are lying. They are only measuring the 2 races, not applying the end of aff action which would result in almost zero blacks. With a static number of students that would result in a much higher percentage of Asians and a slightly higher percentage of whites.
They're not lying.
This was an internal document that was emailed privately between administrators in 2013.
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Asian-Americans would comprise 43% of the freshman class if admission hinged solely on academics
So you're quite wrong. If Harvard had an academics-only admissions model, the percentage of Asians would increase while the percentage of Whites, African-Americans and Hispanics would drop.
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That means Asians are punished more than Whites in order to accept more Blacks and Hispanics.
Whites would drop by 2% whereas Blacks and Hispanics would drop to around almost nothing.
So white Americans largely aren't hurt by affirmative action at Harvard whereas Asian-Americans are hurt by it.
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hey are only measuring the 2 races,
Nope. They measure all the races if you read the article.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:45 pm to CAPEX
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I'm starting to doubt that you read 200 articles when you missed key details within my original comment.
Your second post was about what you read regularly. I asked which was right wing. You didn't answer regarding any of those sources.
Your first post included some conservative sources you might read on occasion. Research papers are printed every day. You don't read National Review every day and it's not a conservative magazine anymore. Did you not realize that? If shifted when WFB died.
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I read just as much right-wing media as I do left-wing media.
If you think The Economist is right wing you've proven my point about associations.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Zach didn't even read my original comment.
My original comment:
My original comment:
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I watch right-wing talk shows, I read the Wall Street Journal, National Review and even Fox News. I listen to talks given by the Federalist Society. I even read research papers published by the Heritage Foundation and the Tax Policy Foundation which advocates for right-wing tax policy. I read just as much right-wing media as I do left-wing media.
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