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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:57 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:57 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:A few things:
This is another problem with the Bible. God wouldn't need to make Jews deny His Son just to save Gentiles. God also hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not let the Israelites leave Egypt. God intentionally caused the Pharaoh to do wrong just so he could send more plagues on the people of Egypt. That doesn't sound like a God full of love and light to me. It sounds like a god made up by jews just so they can say that they are the chosen ones and that all their actions are defensible no matter how atrocious they are.
Either God is full of agape love or he intentionally causes people to go against Him for whatever reason. I prefer the God that isn't a dick.
1. According to John 12:37-43, the Jewish people as a whole were kept from believing in Christ as the messiah to fulfill prophecy, so God is the one who hardens hearts and leaves them in their desire for rebellion.
2. God doesn't cause anyone to sin, not even Pharaoh. When God hardens hearts, it means He leaves them in their sin and desires to rebel against God; He doesn't soften their hearts towards the truth but leaves them to their own desires and prevents otherwise convincing words or events from affecting the darkness of mind and understanding of His enemies. Pharaoh wasn't forced by God to sin but God prevented him from repenting by stirring up his own sinful nature against him so that in his rebellion, God would show that He is God. Paul testifies to God's work in the unbelief of people in his letter to the Romans.
3. God is loving, but that isn't the only trait He possesses. God is also just and holy. People are fallen sinners justly deserving God's wrath because He is holy and cannot look upon sin. It's not unloving that He condemns anyone or even that He punishes sin through the hardening of hearts in unbelief. It's an expression of His love that He allows anyone to believe in His son through the regenerating work of His Spirit. He is not obligated to save anyone, so that He saves some at all is evidence of His love.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:29 am to ShoeBang
quote:If Christ wasn't the messiah and son of God, then He was a liar and we are still in our sins.
What if they were right and the messiah hasn't arrived yet?
quote:The resurrection of Jesus is important for several reasons:
I mean Jesus was not the first historical figure to die and be resurrected 3 days later. Gilgamesh pulled that move too, thousands of years before JC
It testifies to the existence and power of God; it testifies to Christ being the messiah as prophesied by the Old Testament; it testifies to the divinity of Jesus; it testifies to the resurrection that we will eventually experience; it testifies to the promise of eternal life that we will have through faith in the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, who defeated death and will one day exterminate it entirely; and it testifies to the hope that we can rightfully have that we share in Christ's victory over death and eternal life so that we don't need to fear anything in this life.
The resurrection of Jesus is also very different from the myths and stories of old that include resurrections. The resurrection of Jesus is critical to the Christian belief system whereas the other accounts are mentioned almost in passing to explain certain natural phenomena like the rebirth of nature in spring.
The resurrection stories of other cultures were written as poetry, thousands of years after the events supposedly took place, while the account of Jesus' resurrection was written as historical fact, within a generation of it taking place. There were no eyewitness accounts of the resurrections of those found in other mythologies while the resurrection of Christ was testified by eyewitnesses, including many who died for their faith in that resurrection.
Finally, the lives of Jesus' disciples were changed by the resurrection. They went from being scattered and terrified to boldly proclaiming Christ's crucifixion and resurrection and willing to die for it. Nothing so life-changing occurred from the poetic portrayals of the resurrection mythologies. So no, they are not comparable, in either the style of their accounts, nor the impact on the lives of others.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:36 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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systems such as finance, popular culture, and media
And these are morally corrosive systems. Pop culture explicitly sells bad values and teaches self destructive behavior.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:46 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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I prefer the God that isn't a dick.
Do you think your preferences impact reality? Whatever God is or isn't, I'm quite sure what I'd like him to be doesn't matter.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:47 am to AlxTgr
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What are these Darwin lies? I have never heard this before.
Also, are you saying you do not believe in evolution?
of course I do not believe in "biological evolution"
not a bit
Posted on 5/18/21 at 11:58 am to PickupAutist
as Chris Rock would say, Revelator ain't trying to hear this
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:01 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:Wow
of course I do not believe in "biological evolution"
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:04 pm to AlxTgr
He’s special
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:15 pm to AlxTgr
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Wow
I don't suck dick for the atheist "academia" industrial complex
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:46 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:I don't know why one would say this, but evolution is fact man.
I don't suck dick for the atheist "academia" industrial complex
Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:03 pm to AlxTgr
Jews don't hijack our planes and fly them into our buildings to kill American citizens.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:17 pm to Nawlens Gator
Is Hollywood good for us?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:23 pm to Nawlens Gator
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Jews don't hijack our planes and fly them into our buildings to kill American citizens.
After all you've learned about what our government is capable of the past 5 years, what makes you think your own people didn't allow it to happen?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:36 pm to Craig86
Jesus death was predetermined. That is why he went into the wilderness and prayed, because he knew it was coming.
American Christians support Israel because they share the same old testament and the same 10 commandments.
Better question is why DON'T American Jews support Israel?
American Christians support Israel because they share the same old testament and the same 10 commandments.
Better question is why DON'T American Jews support Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:58 pm to ELVIS U
Most American Jews are culturally Jewish at most.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:00 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Changes in organisms over time is a fact that is observable. Changing from single-celled bacteria to a human being over time has not been observed and its factuality is certainly in question. I, too, reject what is sometimes called "macroevolution", or evolutionary origins of man.
I don't know why one would say this, but evolution is fact man.
I believe the biblical narrative of God creating mankind, not through natural processes over a long time, but through a supernatural process over a very short period of time.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:09 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Either God is full of agape love or he intentionally causes people to go against Him for whatever reason. I prefer the God that isn't a dick.
What you are really saying is, you’d prefer God to be in your image, because you can’t understand all the decisions of a sovereign God with your finite mind.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:17 pm to FooManChoo
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Changing from single-celled bacteria to a human being over time has not been observed
Of course it hasn’t, why would you expect it to be? This process took over 3 billion years
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:18 pm to FooManChoo
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There were no eyewitness accounts of the resurrections of those found in other mythologies
That we know of.
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resurrection of Christ was testified by eyewitnesses, including many who died for their faith in that resurrection.
That can be explained by it being way closer to current day than when the Sumerians were flourishing (thus better records to reference), as well as it being against the local rule (Jews) and the Empire of Rome (polytheistic). Historically, members of counter culture cults often die for their beliefs.
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Nothing so life-changing occurred from the poetic portrayals of the resurrection mythologies
That we know of. Literacy was even more scarce 10k years ago vs 2k years ago. Just because it wasn't written down, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Many things that are written down as facts never actually happened, were lost or worse, were excluded purposefully - The Book of Enoch for example. Either lost or excluded on purpose.
All I'm saying is that I leave room for religions to be wrong and do not believe any millennia-plus religious book, bible or sacred text can possibly be 100% accurate. Reasoning is that those are and have been used as tools to control people more than help people throughout all of history that we know of.
There's probably a god IMO, but I'll wager that he hasn't been clearly defined for human understanding by any religion that has tried thus far.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:31 pm to Esquire
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Hitler, David Duke, and Stalin all drank water. Water is the preferred drink of anti-semites and drinking water means you hate Jews.” - Revelator
But all three groups I named did use the Bible to promote antisemitism, so your jab is simply a deflection. Now deny the substance of my post instead.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:32 pm
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