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re: "Why Do People Persist in Believing Things That Just Aren't True?"
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:28 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:28 am to Roger Klarvin
Not all religions are at war with Science
"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong,
then Buddhism will have to change,"
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong,
then Buddhism will have to change,"
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:28 am to Roger Klarvin
Not all religions are at war with Science
"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong,
then Buddhism will have to change,"
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong,
then Buddhism will have to change,"
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:29 am to NC_Tigah
Religion makes people feel better, medicine can ACTUALLY make people better. Confusing the two is one of the great mental tricks the human minds performs.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:32 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Regardless, it's about outcome. Placebo, TM, Lamaze, Biofeeback, Hypnoses, Faith......it's all about outcome.
Religion makes people feel better, medicine can ACTUALLY make people better. Confusing the two is one of the great mental tricks the human minds performs.
You'll see.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:35 am to Roger Klarvin
Actually mental state actually makes people feel better.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:35 am to NC_Tigah
And studies show that faith and prayer have no impact on health outcomes. Family support does, and the attitude of the patient does, but belief itself is demonstrably useless in relation to outcomes.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:36 am to JayDeerTay84
quote:It also helps people do better. That's the larger point.
Actually mental state actually makes people feel better.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:37 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:You're very inexperienced. You'll see.
belief itself is demonstrably useless in relation to outcomes.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:37 am to Rex
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So all of the disciples who wrote about Jesus and the many who were described as being touched by his ministry were all simply liars? Or perhaps people like Peter, James, Luke, Paul, etc. didn't exist either and were mere figments?
The gospels were not written when and by whom you think they were written.
No, the gospels were not written when and by whom you think they were written.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:38 am to JayDeerTay84
True, but that goes for people who are happy regardless of the reason why.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:47 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:The point is you failed to mention any of those things.
All of which are more real and have more positive impact than religion. What's your point?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:49 am to Roger Klarvin
No, you made it seem like peoples faith doesn't "really" make them happy.
Even outside of faith, mental state has very much to do with happiness and making you just "feel" better...
Even outside of faith, mental state has very much to do with happiness and making you just "feel" better...
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:59 am to JayDeerTay84
No I didnt, I said people falsely believe their faith made their treatment work.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
Define treatment, because in certain instances, yes, it can.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I said people falsely believe their faith made their treatment work.
What if a person was say, diagnosed with Hepatitis, but never received treatment, believed that God would heal them, and upon another round of test was clean?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:23 pm to Lg
Given that hepatitis, especially hepatitis B, frequently resolves on its own I wouldnt so much as give it a second thought
I'll pay attention when someone spontaneously regrows a limb.
I'll pay attention when someone spontaneously regrows a limb.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:24 pm to OMLandshark
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Of course it turns out he was fricking his secretary, and then he for some reason becomes all about mercy. He didn't keep his position
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and at least in MS, it's pretty much an across the board mentality for Southern Baptists
What city are you from if, you don't mind me asking?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:26 pm to Asharad
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"Scientist" is the most overused term of the decade
Nope. Not even close. That goes to either "Discrimination" "Hate" "Prejudice" or "Rights".
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:27 pm to Lg
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What if a person was say, diagnosed with Hepatitis, but never received treatment, believed that God would heal them, and upon another round of test was clean?
The placebo effect is a VERY real thing!
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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medicine can ACTUALLY make people better
I have a friend who is a hardcore hypochondriac that proves otherwise.
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