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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:40 am to rtts48
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:40 am to rtts48
Alas someone that has a clue:Let me add 6 words.
Leaders of Israel. You have failed your people. You sit in your cushy Knesset chairs, leaving an entire people under occupation without any attempt to learn from our past and make a better future. You have failed us by spewing more and more hate and hopelessness, blaming everything on the Palestinians without taking ANY responsibility. You have played the holocaust and religion hands over and over creating a golem that has finally erupted in the form of racism, fascism and the complete degradation of democracy. You took no responsibility on our futures, and kept an unjust status quo while corrupting our system of government, banking and social benefits. You will lead Israel to its bitter end with your self-entitlement and greed.
Leaders of Palestinians and Hamas. You have failed your people. You have invested in weapons and death instead of infrastructure and life. The people in Gaza don't like you, and you have abused democracy to become a theocracy. You have failed in providing your people a better future. You continue to deny Israelis' right to exist and continue to aspire to kill us all. You have used violence when you had the chance to prove to the entire world, and mostly to your own people, that you are a valid government. You were elected in Gaza as it was granted autonomy. You chose violence. You will continue to fail.
And here we are, the little people, like puppets on strings, fighting the wars that were forced on us, losing ourselves to hatred, to ignorance, to failure.
I have news for you all -- neither Israelis nor Palestinians are going anywhere. No matter the past, no matter who was where first and who got where how. This is the situation now, and if we continue arguing about the past we are going to lose our futures. And our futures are bound together whether we like it or not.
No courage or leadership and Status Quo will always trump reason
Leaders of Israel. You have failed your people. You sit in your cushy Knesset chairs, leaving an entire people under occupation without any attempt to learn from our past and make a better future. You have failed us by spewing more and more hate and hopelessness, blaming everything on the Palestinians without taking ANY responsibility. You have played the holocaust and religion hands over and over creating a golem that has finally erupted in the form of racism, fascism and the complete degradation of democracy. You took no responsibility on our futures, and kept an unjust status quo while corrupting our system of government, banking and social benefits. You will lead Israel to its bitter end with your self-entitlement and greed.
Leaders of Palestinians and Hamas. You have failed your people. You have invested in weapons and death instead of infrastructure and life. The people in Gaza don't like you, and you have abused democracy to become a theocracy. You have failed in providing your people a better future. You continue to deny Israelis' right to exist and continue to aspire to kill us all. You have used violence when you had the chance to prove to the entire world, and mostly to your own people, that you are a valid government. You were elected in Gaza as it was granted autonomy. You chose violence. You will continue to fail.
And here we are, the little people, like puppets on strings, fighting the wars that were forced on us, losing ourselves to hatred, to ignorance, to failure.
I have news for you all -- neither Israelis nor Palestinians are going anywhere. No matter the past, no matter who was where first and who got where how. This is the situation now, and if we continue arguing about the past we are going to lose our futures. And our futures are bound together whether we like it or not.
No courage or leadership and Status Quo will always trump reason
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:42 am to TutHillTiger
what would Jesus Christ do? After all, it's his neighborhood.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 3:36 am to Burt Reynolds
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The Jews and muslims have lived together for centuries and centuries. It seems to be working out well in Morocco and some other countries. If fatah were in control of Israel, I guarantee it would not be apartheid.
FYI, today Iran has the Mideast's second largest Jewish population outside of Israel, they enjoy a standard of living higher than Iran's national average and even when Evangelical Christians offered them $10,000 per person to relocate to Israel, most of them turned it down.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 3:37 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 4:12 am to trackfan
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FYI, today Iran has the Mideast's second largest Jewish population outside of Israel, they enjoy a standard of living higher than Iran's national average and even when Evangelical Christians offered them $10,000 per person to relocate to Israel, most of them turned it down.
The Jewish Population in Iran has gone from 150,000-100,000 to less than 9000 since the Islamic Revolution.
Furthermore, there are More Iranian Jews in Israel than in Iran.
I know Iranian jews. They fricking hate Iran.
Nice try. Thanks for playing. Don't forget your bullshite on the way out.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:44 am to SammyTiger
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FYI, today Iran has the Mideast's second largest Jewish population outside of Israel, they enjoy a standard of living higher than Iran's national average and even when Evangelical Christians offered them $10,000 per person to relocate to Israel, most of them turned it down.
This
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I know Iranian jews. They fricking hate Iran.
The Jewish frat boy has met some people from Iran so that characterizes the entire population. I've met one Iranian Jew. Said she loved Iran, just not the government. At least there government isn't oppressing a minority into an open air prison. At least they've signed the nuclear non proliferation act.
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Furthermore, there are More Iranian Jews in Israel than in Iran.
And more Jews in New York than tell aviv. What's your point?
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 5:46 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:51 am to Burt Reynolds
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And more Jews in New York than tell aviv. What's your point?
1. the $10K bit is bullshite because 90% of them did relocate, and about half of them relocated to Israel. so there are 5x as many jews who would rather live in Israel than Iran. and over 10x as many who would rather live anywhere else.
2. Clearly if fricking 90% of a population leaves it isn't some magical jewish paradise that you seem to think it is.
3. The Jews in Iran haven't been firing rockets at the Iranian civilians, haven't attacked Iranians. There are no Jewish suicide bombers in Iran. If that happened i wonder how many jews would be in Iran. You think more than 0?
4. You mean she hates the oppressive Islamic government? no shite. Thats the fricking worst part. I am sure aside from the oppressive islamic government Iran is great.
5. Outside Israel, there are under 9000 jews in Iran and then basically no more than a handful in any islamic country. So don't pretend like the Muslim world is some peaceful paradise of Jewish love outside of Israel.
6. Feel free to ignore any of these points like you usually do.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 5:57 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:08 am to Burt Reynolds
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I'm not ignoring it. It's the largest Zionist talking point. They live in peace and then what? Israel still occupies them. There are still checkpoints. They aren't allowed to leave. They are prisoners. Peaceful but not "free" by any definition.
They could have had their own country 60 years ago, and they weren't happy. They put themselves in a position where no sane country would not put up check points.
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The Jews and muslims have lived together for centuries and centuries. It seems to be working out well in Morocco and some other countries. If fatah were in control of Israel, I guarantee it would not be apartheid.
There would not be jews. There is 1 arab country with over 1000 jews living in it and that countries population has diminished 90%
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Please define terrorist organization for me in your response. The IDF are also terrorists. Also why not hand power to the West Bank? Gaza is a lost cause.
Terrorists intentional target civilians as a method of gaining political gain. Hamas targets civilians first and for most, and then makes sure that Israel has to attack civilians centers to fight back and protect Israeli cities. There is a lot of desert to store missiles but they choose cities.
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They didn't have that technology but they had guns and rebelled. Are the Warsaw Jews terrorists as well. Please by all means define terrorism for me.
To me terrorism would be specifically targeting civilians in order to scare a population towards a political gain.
Did the Warsaw Ghetto uprising target polish people? No and you tarnish their fricking memory by suggesting.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:14 am to SammyTiger
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The Jewish Population in Iran has gone from 150,000-100,000 to less than 9000 since the Islamic Revolution.
Reputable sources say 25,000.
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I know Iranian jews. They fricking hate Iran.
Nice try. Thanks for playing. Don't forget your bullshite on the way out.
You're one to talk about bullshite. Here's an Iranian Jew in his own words so that folks here can decide for themselves:
LINK
Take your apartheid-loving self somewhere else with this bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 7:17 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:23 am to SammyTiger
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1. the $10K bit is bullshite because 90% of them did relocate, and about half of them relocated to Israel. so there are 5x as many jews who would rather live in Israel than Iran. and over 10x as many who would rather live anywhere else.
2. Clearly if fricking 90% of a population leaves it isn't some magical jewish paradise that you seem to think it is.
Why am I not surprised that you aren't providing any links to back up your bullshite?
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3. The Jews in Iran haven't been firing rockets at the Iranian civilians, haven't attacked Iranians. There are no Jewish suicide bombers in Iran. If that happened i wonder how many jews would be in Iran. You think more than 0?
Why would Iranian Jews carry out terror when they're content with their treatment by the government. I can guarantee you that if Iran treated its Jews the way Israel treats its Gentile, those Jews would be as peaceful as the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto or Irgun and I wouldn't blame them one bit.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:24 am to trackfan
Trackfan this is an honest question, if Iranian Jews are so content they why have their numbers fallen from 125,000-150,000 to around 25,000 ??
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:24 am to trackfan
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Reputable sources say 25,000.
So the 2011 Iranian Census isn't reputable?
8,756
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:27 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:31 am to fleaux
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Trackfan this is an honest question, if Iranian Jews are so content they why have their numbers fallen from 125,000-150,000 to around 25,000 ??
Over what time period are we talking? There was no mass emigration like there was from Europe after WWII, and many of Iran's Jews, just like Iran's Muslims, have emigrated to western countries in order to improve their standard of living, especially after Iran was hit by sanctions following the revolution. Furthermore, I'm guessing Iran's Jews don't like theocracy no more than Iran's secularist Muslims who hate the mullahs.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 7:32 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:42 am to trackfan
Why did peace loving Hamas decline Kerry's cease fire proposal?
Here is another peace lover from that saintly organization known as Hezbollah.
“True, we are fighting in Syria, but our heart yearns to arrive and fight the sons and brothers of the apes and pigs [the Jews],” the institute reported Al-Maqdisi as saying. The jihadi cleric said Gazans must be patient and wait for either victory or martyrdom, and that Allah will soon send “extraordinary soldiers who will fight and defeat the Jews.”
Here is another peace lover from that saintly organization known as Hezbollah.
“True, we are fighting in Syria, but our heart yearns to arrive and fight the sons and brothers of the apes and pigs [the Jews],” the institute reported Al-Maqdisi as saying. The jihadi cleric said Gazans must be patient and wait for either victory or martyrdom, and that Allah will soon send “extraordinary soldiers who will fight and defeat the Jews.”
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:51 am to trackfan
Clearly the ones that are still there are pretty set on remaining there.
But that doesn't mean that most of the population hasn't already left. Because it did.
But that doesn't mean that most of the population hasn't already left. Because it did.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:53 am to trackfan
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Furthermore, I'm guessing Iran's Jews don't like theocracy no more than Iran's secularist Muslims who hate the mullahs.
Thats what i've been saying but somehow you just don't agree with me. there was a large migration after the Revolution and when Israel was founded.
You also ignore that there just aren't jews in any significant numbers in any other arab country.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 8:23 am to trackfan
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Here's an Iranian Jew
Who is in the government. What would you expect him to say?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:10 am to SammyTiger
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They could have had their own country 60 years ago, and they weren't happy. They put themselves in a position where no sane country would not put up check points.
Link? Israel was never going to recognize an independent Palestinian nation
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Terrorists intentional target civilians as a method of gaining political gain. Hamas targets civilians first and for most, and then makes sure that Israel has to attack civilians centers to fight back and protect Israeli cities. There is a lot of desert to store missiles but they choose cities.
It's pretty obvious that israel has been targeting civilians. The majority of the people killed have been civilians, at least 600. It's fairly obvious that IDF is a terrorist organization.I think you're a little biased because you're a Jew no offense.
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Did the Warsaw Ghetto uprising target polish people? No and you tarnish their fricking memory by suggesting.
Of course because they were polish and were fighting their occupiers, the Germans, just like the gazans. "Tarnish". Don't play the victim card Sammy. Just because you're Jewish doesn't mean that the holocaust justifies the 600 innocent civilians killed in Gaza. The victim card is getting old.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:12 am to Burt Reynolds
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It's pretty obvious that israel has been targeting civilians.
I don't think it's obvious at all.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:16 am to Burt Reynolds
You need to put more blame on Hamas. I feel sorry for the civilians but it's the people they are letting rule and support. The tunnels aren't there for palistenians to escape to "freedom" it's to bring terror to isreal plan and simple. Can't blame the IDF for going in and eliminating these tunnels.
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