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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:28 am to SuperSaint
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:28 am to SuperSaint
All of the Hamas members in this thread sure are displaying their autism in full force.
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:44 am to Manzielathon
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All of the Hamas members in this thread sure are displaying their autism in full force.
Hamas is often considered a civil rights organization similar to that of the old ANC in South Africa.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:47 am to NoNameNeeded
Well the word coming out of Gaza is that the civil rights organization's thugs are running for dear life, abandoning suicide vests and weapons as they go. They are squealing no mas and their apologists are begging for a cease fire.
Not this time, Abdul.
Not this time, Abdul.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:54 am to rtts48
quote:Jesus would get them to try and save their souls as individuals. He was pretty clear that his mission on Earth was limited to that. His lessons were for individuals with respect to their own lives, not lessons for communal actions.
what would Jesus Christ do? After all, it's his neighborhood.
That is my belief if the Bible, which is all we have to go on, is an accurate account of his teachings. Why don't you ask the hypotheticals what would Mohammed or Moses do? I think the answers to those questions would be fascinating.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:55 am to NoNameNeeded
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Hamas is often considered a civil rights organization
The shark, you just jumped it.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:57 am to SuperSaint
quote:The people aren't "letting" Hamas do anything. They have no way of putting anyone else back in power, because after Fatah were expelled Israel blockaded the Gaza strip and nobody was allowed in or out. Who are they going to elect? In what elections? Hamas won in January 2006 and Palestine is supposed to have elections every four years. Gaza is doubly overdue at this point, but haven't been able to hold any due to the civil war, blockade, and biennial Israeli offensives. The unity deal guaranteed new elections within six months, and Hamas was deeply unpopular due corruption and Gaza's bad economy. There was every chance the unity elections put Fatah back in power in both parts of Palestine, and all Israel had to do was wait six months.
You need to put more blame on Hamas. I feel sorry for the civilians but it's the people they are letting rule and support.
Instead they pinned some random murders on Hamas without evidence, indefinitely detained hundreds of their people, ran a ham-fisted "search" operation that resulted in the deaths of multiple Palestinians when it was later revealed they knew the children were dead from the start, and reinstituted the policy of punitive home demolitions of family members to boot, which the IDF itself renounced years ago as ineffective and breeding resentment.
And people act shocked that Hamas started up the rockets again? I don't think the rockets are legitimate. But neither is the blockade, or anything Israel did in response to the murders, which were criminal acts, not acts of war. Hamas sucks. They are bad for the Palestinians and bad for the region. But make no mistake, they were on the way out. This fight is one Netanyahu chose to pick. Maybe he couldn't stand seeing Hamas go out on Abbas' terms. Maybe he wanted to gin up some easy points with a base drifting to the other right-wing parties. Maybe he's just an a-hole. (Don't underestimate that last part.) But unless he has the stomach for a full-blown, long-term reoccupation of Gaza, he's not going to "get rid" of Hamas with an aerial bombardment and limited ground action. All he's done is handed Hamas an undeserved martyr complex they can exploit in the next Palestinian elections. Whenever they're allowed to take place.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:57 am to Iosh
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Iosh
I'm not always gay, but when I am, it's for you.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:59 am to NoNameNeeded
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Hamas is often considered a civil rights organization similar to that of the old ANC in South Africa.
The ANC is much more efficient at killing their opponents, but other than that, I believe the comparison is very accurate.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:02 pm to Iosh
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There was every chance the unity elections put Fatah back in power in both parts of Palestine, and all Israel had to do was wait six months.
You're acting like Fatah doesn't want to destroy Israel and the Jews, too. Who founded Fatah again? I forget.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:10 pm to the808bass
Hamas has been greatly weakened but after this is over they will survive, not in the same levels though. Fatah will come back to the Gaza, already 3000 Fatah police returned 2 or 3 months ago in the Hamas-Fatah unity deal.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:12 pm to the808bass
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You're acting like Fatah doesn't want to destroy Israel and the Jews, too. Who founded Fatah again? I forget.
they have a peace deal with Israel. It's sad that people keep typing the same ignorant things repeatedly. I don't think you know much, but either stupidly try to print falsehoolds or deliberately lie.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:17 pm to rtts48
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they have a peace deal with Israel. It's sad that people keep typing the same ignorant things repeatedly. I don't think you know much, but either stupidly try to print falsehoolds or deliberately lie.
What's the track record of Arab nations keeping peace deals with Israel? How many rockets were fired into Israel when Fatah was in control? If the answer is greater than zero, we have different ideas of what a "peace agreement" actually means.
Quick question which you won't answer: when was the last time a Fatah-associated group claimed responsibility for a rocket attack on Israel? I'll answer for you: July.
2014.
Second and third question: how did you find this website? And what country were you born in?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:38 pm to the808bass
rocket fire only emanates from Gaza, which Fatah does not control. Again, you seem to purposely make it up as you go along. Then have strong opinions based on fantasy, making that a dangerous combination.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:39 pm to the808bass
quote:Because... they don't? Are you citing Arafat for this proposition? He accepted Israel's right to exist at least since the 1988 PLO declaration accepting UNR-242, and in off the record negotiations for some time before that. And in any case, he's been dead for ten years. Abbas, Hamdallah, and Erekat control Fatah now.
You're acting like Fatah doesn't want to destroy Israel and the Jews, too. Who founded Fatah again? I forget.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:10 pm to rtts48
How old are you? Or to put another way, how long have you been a Muslim?
Back to our regularly scheduled program:
Are you asserting there are no supporters or groups linked to Fatah left in Gaza? Are you claiming Al Aqsa is not linked to Fatah?
It is interesting to note that you say a rocket attack cannot come from Fatah because Fatah does not control Gaza. But then you will claim that Hamas, even though it does control Gaza, is not responsible for attacks from Gaza. It is this type of thinking which clearly demonstrates you are not Western in origin.
Back to our regularly scheduled program:
Are you asserting there are no supporters or groups linked to Fatah left in Gaza? Are you claiming Al Aqsa is not linked to Fatah?
It is interesting to note that you say a rocket attack cannot come from Fatah because Fatah does not control Gaza. But then you will claim that Hamas, even though it does control Gaza, is not responsible for attacks from Gaza. It is this type of thinking which clearly demonstrates you are not Western in origin.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:14 pm to BobBoucher
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so who do we blame for Hitler's ascention?
Well, the Jews of course.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:20 pm to Iosh
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they don't?
You should let Fatah know this. They seem unaware of it.
Do they support the rocket attacks on Israel currently? If they do, and of course they do, what is the tangible benefit to Israel to support group A, who likes throwing rockets into Israel, over group B, who also likes throwing rockets into Israel?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:35 pm to the808bass
quote:So your evidence that they want to "destroy Israel" is that they are ... firing shitty rockets? Which I just explained are being fired in response to specific and concrete provocations taken by Israel in the last six weeks? Clown logic.
You should let Fatah know this. They seem unaware of it.
Do they support the rocket attacks on Israel currently? If they do, and of course they do, what is the tangible benefit to Israel to support group A, who likes throwing rockets into Israel, over group B, who also likes throwing rockets into Israel?
And the benefit of Fatah being in power is that they will compromise on negotiation issues that Hamas will not, including land swaps and security arrangements. But if you think they're equally bad, you should tell Israel that. They seem unaware of it.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:37 pm to Iosh
It's not the only evidence. It is evidence. Pretending Fatah is some moderate organization which would greatly aid Israeli-Gaza relationships is in the dictionary next to "clown logic."
Another double minded man. You claimed Israel was too stupid to allow another election in Gaza which could've returned Fatah to power and greatly aided the process. You then claim that Israel is well aware of the benefit of Fatah in power and prefers them. Dance, sucker, dance.
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But if you think they're equally bad, you should tell Israel that. They seem unaware of it.
Another double minded man. You claimed Israel was too stupid to allow another election in Gaza which could've returned Fatah to power and greatly aided the process. You then claim that Israel is well aware of the benefit of Fatah in power and prefers them. Dance, sucker, dance.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:39 pm to Iosh
The funny thing is that the Jewish posters on the Poli Board (2 or 3 maybe) don't really give a crap what everyone thinks of us.
All in all, like any issue, people here have differing opinions as it should be.
All in all, like any issue, people here have differing opinions as it should be.
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