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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:40 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:40 am to SammyTiger
quote:Israeli security forces have killed over 600 civilians in one month of Protective Edge.
I don't kneed to play the victim card to justify what Israel is doing, because it is what every nation would do in their situation.
British security forces killed 187 civilians during the entire 30-year Troubles.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 5:43 am
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:50 am to SammyTiger
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When the UN was dishing out land they were
You still can't provide a link. You never do. This never happened because Israel didn't honor the Oslo agreement.
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You know why this is. They are doing what they have to to protect their citizens and Hamas is doing everything to insure that entails high civilians casualties.
Ensure**
You don't have a link to prove this either. Your argument is emotional and doesn't require logic. Killing 600 civilians isn't protecting anyone. There have been about 3 Israeli civilian casualties, yet you choose to ignore Geneva's standards when it's convenient for you. Yes your people are defending themselves but from what? A group of people that are living in an open air prison that have lived there generations longer than the Israeli usurpers. Do you really think Hamas would still be hurling rockets at IDF if they were able to have an identity, a passport, freedom to leave Gaza, fresh food/water, and life without constant drone surveillance? It's Israel's fault that Fatah isn't in power anymore. They forced this apartheid state and they are responsible for this rebellion.
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Terrorists don't call your house before they blow it up
Fascist terrorists do and they don't call. They send a text message. C'mon Sammy, you didn't know this? The house is destroyed within sixty seconds of the text being sent. What if their phone is out of battery (not easy getting electricity in Gaza), what if they're away and their wife and children are at home, what if they just don't have their phone with them. Isn't it a bit fascist that IDF knows every single one of their phone numbers? Is sixty seconds really long enough to evacuate your home? How can you justify destroying someone else's property with zero financial compensation? Just because Israel has American supplied technology doesn't make them any less of a terrorist regime. Their whole country is founded on violence and terror.
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This isn't an answer. Were the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising targeting civilians or not? The answer is no. So to compare Hamas to them is wrong.
It's not wrong. It was a different time. They didn't have rocket technology. Only advanced nations like Americans, British or Germans had rocket technology. Poland was still using a Calvary when the Germans invaded. You still haven't justified the 600 innocent gazan deaths. It's okay, Isaelis are apathetic too. It's part of their culture.
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I don't kneed to play the victim card to justify what Israel is doing, because it is what every nation would do in their situation. I know this to be true, and I think you do to.
No link again. No other nation is doing what israel is doing. No other country forces it's citizens to live an apartheid regime. They are living in the 19th century like China while the rest of the world has granted freedom to its citizens like South Africa. What kind of racist country forces it's citizens to live in a prison anarchy with no identity, freedom, or passport then kills hundreds of innocents when they want freedom. Israel is a George Orwell premonition. Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. votes?
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What i will do is call out shitty comparisons when they don't fit. Hamas targets civilians. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising did not. So they aren't comparable.
Right. It's just a comparison; that does not mean they are congruent just similar. The Warsaw uprising was different because Germany was more powerful than israel and didn't have the US, media or UN watching over their backs. What is a better example of Gaza than the Warsaw ghetto? I'm sure you'll have another emotional biased answer that your jewish parents spoon fed you. How many civilians has Hamas killed? How many civilians has the IDF killed? The IDF has been 600x better at targeting civilians yet you vehemently defend them.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 5:55 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:21 am to Burt Reynolds
I think there is a fundamental flaw in the logic that Hamas isn't that bad because they aren't good at killing Israelis. They are actively trying as hard as they can. How man should they be allowed to kill before Israel is justified in stopping them?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:32 am to rtts48
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rocket fire only emanates from Gaza, which Fatah does not control. Again, you seem to purposely make it up as you go along. Then have strong opinions based on fantasy, making that a dangerous combination.
For you and those suggesting this very thing.... well:
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At least two Fatah armed groups announced that they had started firing rockets at the "settlements" of Ashkelon and Sderot, cities inside the pre-1967 borders of Israel, with another Fatah group claiming responsibility for firing 35 rockets into Israel since Sunday.
So... who is having the fantasy?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:41 am to Burt Reynolds
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Burt Reynolds
Again, you are not being truthful. First you lie about having a sudden change of heart due to a trip, when we all know full well what your position was.
Then you lie over and over again to keep up your position "valid", trying to convince others. If you have to lie about your position, maybe .... just maybe.... your position is flawed.
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At least two Fatah armed groups announced that they had started firing rockets at the "settlements" of Ashkelon and Sderot, cities inside the pre-1967 borders of Israel, with another Fatah group claiming responsibility for firing 35 rockets into Israel since Sunday.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:08 am to Burt Reynolds
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Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Not convinced your premise is accurate.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:18 am to Burt Reynolds
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The tunnels are primarily for food , water and medicine.
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never said that
Pretty much what you said, unless you want to play Rex and argue the meaning of words
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:45 am to Burt Reynolds
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You still can't provide a link. You never do. This never happened because Israel didn't honor the Oslo agreement.
You're an idiot. I was talking about the UN's Plan in 1947 that would have given both a nation and none of this would have ever started. The Arabs rejected that.
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You don't have a link to prove this either. Your argument is emotional and doesn't require logic. Killing 600 civilians isn't protecting anyone. There have been about 3 Israeli civilian casualties, yet you choose to ignore Geneva's standards when it's convenient for you. Yes your people are defending themselves but from what? A group of people that are living in an open air prison that have lived there generations longer than the Israeli usurpers. Do you really think Hamas would still be hurling rockets at IDF if they were able to have an identity, a passport, freedom to leave Gaza, fresh food/water, and life without constant drone surveillance? It's Israel's fault that Fatah isn't in power anymore. They forced this apartheid state and they are responsible for this rebellion.
Hamas and other "liberation" groups have gotten Palestine into this situation. They are blockaded because when they weren't they were suicide bombing bus stops. The reason why Israeli casualties are low is because 1. Israel cares and has shelters during rocket strikes 2. Hamas has shitty rockets. Free access = Better rockets. Israel isn't going to give up security measures to a Hamas run area on the hope that they play nice. It will never happen.
Can you deny Hamas is actively trying to murder Israeli citizens? What would the US do? How man civilian casualties have there been in out war on Terror?
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It's not wrong. It was a different time. They didn't have rocket technology. Only advanced nations like Americans, British or Germans had rocket technology. Poland was still using a Calvary when the Germans invaded. You still haven't justified the 600 innocent gazan deaths. It's okay, Isaelis are apathetic too. It's part of their culture.
They didn't attack civilians and you cannot get around this. They were in a worse situation, and still had higher morals. You show a severe lack of understanding.
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No link again. No other nation is doing what israel is doing. No other country forces it's citizens to live an apartheid regime. They are living in the 19th century like China while the rest of the world has granted freedom to its citizens like South Africa. What kind of racist country forces it's citizens to live in a prison anarchy with no identity, freedom, or passport then kills hundreds of innocents when they want freedom. Israel is a George Orwell premonition. Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. votes?
No other nation is in Israel situation, but how many lives has the US and the UK and the rest of our Allies lost and taken in out fight against terror?
How did South Africa end apartheid? Rockets? How did indian gain its freedom? I don't remember Ghandi teaching kids to shoot englishmen.
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Right. It's just a comparison; that does not mean they are congruent just similar. The Warsaw uprising was different because Germany was more powerful than israel and didn't have the US, media or UN watching over their backs. What is a better example of Gaza than the Warsaw ghetto? I'm sure you'll have another emotional biased answer that your jewish parents spoon fed you. How many civilians has Hamas killed? How many civilians has the IDF killed? The IDF has been 600x better at targeting civilians yet you vehemently defend them.
This is where we will never agree. You seem to think because Hamas' rockets don't kill as many israelis they are somehow less culpable, that they aren't actively trying to murder citizens at their primary goal. Israel at least has the legitimate interest of targeting rocket depots, which Hamas puts in civilian locations.
The palestinian condition is tragic, but their leaders and "freedom fighters" they trust have exacerbated it at every step.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 9:51 am to Iosh
quote:How many were put to death for criminal offenses? In 1929 alone, 18 people (17 Arabs and 1 Jew) were sentenced to death for their actions during rioting targeting Jews. Are they among the 187 civilians who were killed by security forces?
Israeli security forces have killed over 600 civilians in one month of Protective Edge. British security forces killed 187 civilians during the entire 30-year Troubles.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:59 am to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
It's not even their goal. The goal is to win the PR war. They now understand they can not beat Israel in a war. So they do what they can to make Israel take action. They then use the people as shields knowing civilians will be killed. They use that in a pr war to make this into a world vs Israel fight.
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A Palestinian filmmaker who produced a documentary alleging Israeli troops committed war crimes in a refugee camp admitted in a deposition last week to falsifying scenes, using inaccurate information and obtaining financing for the project from the Palestinian Authority
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Muhammad Bakri, producer of “Jenin, Jenin,” a documentary that claims Israel committed genocide in the Jenin refugee camp in April 2002, admitted in a deposition to inaccuracies throughout his film.
Israeli soldiers were accused of beating a teen... it took NYT 4 days to acknowledge they were duped and wrong. The subject in question was being protected from a mob... and he was an american.
To this day.. this guy's picture is used in a poster calling for a boycott of coca cola because it supports Israel!
And it's a lie. There is nothing the guy can do to make them stop using his picture.
several major fake videos used... man comes back to life even.
CNN uses fake footage.
staged photo op with death and blood...
forgot to cue the ambulance ... reset.. take 2
And we can go on and on and on.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:06 am to darkhorse
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It's not even their goal. The goal is to win the PR war. They now understand they can not beat Israel in a war. So they do what they can to make Israel take action. They then use the people as shields knowing civilians will be killed. They use that in a pr war to make this into a world vs Israel fight.
Sadly this is the truth.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:15 am to SammyTiger
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I think there is a fundamental flaw in the logic that Hamas isn't that bad because they aren't good at killing Israelis. They are actively trying as hard as they can. How man should they be allowed to kill before Israel is justified in stopping them?
You do realize that now the majority of the world views Hamas as a civil rights organization similar to the ANC of South Africa, right?
In fact, many people are uncomfortable with Hamas being labeled a terrorist group since many view them as patriots and indigenous warriors protecting themselves from colonial slaughter and annihilation.
Personally, I do not agree with this point of view, but you know as well as I do that the majority of the planet sees Hamas that way.
Not many people are ever going to view Jews anywhere as humanitarians or noble people anymore, and not too many people will ever trust Jews in leadership or even trust them in positions of authority and governance.
Jews in the diaspora will be much happier and better off by relocating to Israel and giving up on the rest of the world. Have you considered Aliyah, Sammy?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:17 am to NoNameNeeded
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You do realize that now the majority of the world views Hamas as a civil rights organization similar to the ANC of South Africa, right?
This is probably accurate and really only demonstrates that the rest of the world doesn't really give a shite about "civil rights." The ANC is a brutal, murderous group of thugs and tyrants. For the children. So it's all good.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:27 am to NoNameNeeded
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Not many people are ever going to view Jews anywhere as humanitarians or noble people anymore, and not too many people will ever trust Jews in leadership or even trust them in positions of authority and governance.
Yeah thats why people keep going to jewish doctors, lawyers and accountants. No trust needed there.
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Jews in the diaspora will be much happier and better off by relocating to Israel and giving up on the rest of the world. Have you considered Aliyah, Sammy?
LSU doesn't play football there. i don't think i could live anywhere else besides Louisiana.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:09 pm to SammyTiger
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You're an idiot. I was talking about the UN's Plan in 1947 that would have given both a nation and none of this would have ever started. The Arabs rejected that.
Desperate name calling. So typical of a crusader. Provide a link to back this up then. Palestine signed the agreement. What the frick are you talking about?
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Can you deny Hamas is actively trying to murder Israeli citizens? What would the US do? How man civilian casualties have there been in out war on Terror?
It's simple math Sammy. Israel has killed hundreds of civilians and Hamas hasn't. The answer is pretty obvious. The US would keep giving Israel money. Since when does the Us govt do the right thing?
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They didn't attack civilians and you cannot get around this. They were in a worse situation, and still had higher morals. You show a severe lack of understanding.
You show a lack of links and evidence. LINK
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How did South Africa end apartheid? Rockets? How did indian gain its freedom? I don't remember Ghandi teaching kids to shoot englishmen.
so it's not okay to fight for freedom? Just take the imprisonment? quote:
The palestinian condition is tragic, but their leaders and "freedom fighters" they trust have exacerbated it at every step.
You are really struggling with the links concept hunh
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:14 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Burt Reynolds
Continuing to post lies about himself and the issues!
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:22 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Can you deny Hamas is actively trying to murder Israeli citizens?
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Israel has killed hundreds of civilians and Hamas hasn't.
English. Get better at it and stuff.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:26 pm to Burt Reynolds
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so it's not okay to fight for freedom? Just take the imprisonment?
You're god damn right if the alternative is willingly and intentionally sacrificing your women and children for propaganda. If you want to fight for your independence, do it with honor and integrity, otherwise I hope every last one burns in the hell I don't believe in.
No matter how hard you try to delude yourself there is only one side in the right here, so long as Hamas employs these tactics. Israel.
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