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re: Why Trumpsigned EO to end birthright citizenship
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:49 am to momentoftruth87
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:49 am to momentoftruth87
quote:
Would you let illegals in your home a
I'm not answering completely irrelevant questions to the discussion.
quote:
what do you think about how Canada restricts people for 10 years for a DUI while we let aliens in who come from jails in third world countries.
Canada's law is also not relevant to this discussion. However, that is their law and that's the legal analysis.
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
I’ve come to the conclusion lawyers are 
, the dude who wrote the amendment from Michigan was pretty clear 
unlike your typical lawyer of today, is the sky blue 
, the dude who wrote the amendment from Michigan was pretty clear unlike your typical lawyer of today, is the sky blue 
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:
they probably never thought that arresting illegal non-citizens would be interpreted as falling under the jurisdiction thereof.
Read Wong Kim Ark. You're wrong.
Can you just quote Wong Kim Ark were the justices quoted the authors saying that illegal non-citizens would be interpreted as falling under the jurisdiction thereof so it could be easy to verify your assertion?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:50 am to Rex Feral
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He wants SCOTUS to make a final ruling and I don't think they'll overturn his order.
IDK - but I'm sure lawsuits are already being filed. I am honestly not sure how SCOTUS rules.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I'm not answering completely irrelevant questions to the discussion.
It’s very relevant. You are fine with them in our country but you’re not fine with them on your property
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:52 am to GumboPot
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Can you just quote Wong Kim Ark were the justices quoted the authors saying that illegal non-citizens would be interpreted as falling under the jurisdiction thereof so it could be easy to verify your assertion?
quote:
The real object of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in qualifying the words 'all persons born in the United States' by the addition 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the national government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases,—children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state,—both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country. Calvin's Case, 7 Coke, 1, 18b; Cockb. Nat. 7; Dicey, Confl. Laws, 177; Inglis v. Sailors' Snug Harbor, 3 Pet. 99, 155; 2 Kent, Comm. 39, 42.
"Illegal non-citizens" do not fall within either of the 2 exceptions"
They're clearly not ambassadors and they're not engaging in hostile occupation (no matter how many people try to be clever here).
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:53 am to momentoftruth87
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It’s very relevant.
Not to a legal discussion.
quote:
You are fine with them in our country but you’re not fine with them on your property
I haven't given any such personal opinions.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope
Cite the specific law/case so I can answer your question.
As of 2015, Los Angeles is considered a center of the maternity tourism industry, which caters mostly to Asian women from China and Taiwan;[3] authorities in the city there closed 14 maternity tourism "hotels" in 2013.[20] The industry is difficult to close down since it is not illegal for a pregnant woman to travel to the U.S.[20] On March 3, 2015, Federal agents in Los Angeles conducted a series of raids on three "multimillion-dollar birth-tourism businesses" expected to produce the "biggest federal criminal case ever against the booming 'anchor baby' industry", according to The Wall Street Journal.[20][21][22]
Numerous "maternity businesses" advise pregnant mothers to hide their pregnancies from officials and commit visa fraud—lying to customs agents about their true purpose in the U.S.[23] Once they give birth, several 'birth tourism' agencies aid the mothers in defrauding the U.S. hospital, taking advantage of discounts reserved for impoverished American mothers.[24][25] Some mothers will refuse to pay the bill for the medical care received during their hospital stay.[26]
Effective January 24, 2020, a new policy was adopted that made it more difficult for pregnant foreign women to come to the US to give birth on US soil to ensure their children become US citizens. The country will no longer issue temporary B-1/B-2 visitor visas to applicants seeking to enter the United States for birth tourism.[30][31]
In December 2020, federal prosecutors charged six Long Island residents who were operating a birth tourism scheme that cost U.S. taxpayers over $2 million. The suspects submitted over 99 Medicaid claims for different women, assisting the births of about 119 children who now have U.S. citizenship. The suspects were charged with conspiracy to commit health care fraud, visa fraud, wire fraud and money laundering.[32]
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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One matters (Wong Kim Ark)
One doesn't
"What you said and the intent doesnt matter. What it can later, in other contexts be twisted to mean by those with ulterior motives does"
is actually a perfect embodiment of the left.
bravo sir
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
You’re also not the board lawyer or a legal scholar and I find it interesting you give your opinion about anything else but you can’t admit you don’t want illegals on your property.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:55 am to Jbird
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Nope
I'm not even sure it's illegal
*ETA: or was until like...yesterday
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:55 am to momentoftruth87
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They are subject to our laws while here just like tourists. Tourists don’t have rights, neither do illegals.
I could see this being upheld by SCOTUS.
Some BS court in California or DC will try to upend everything he does anyways, only to get bitch slapped by SCOTUS later. I wouldn't put much stock into what a lower court says - this is going to SCOTUS.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not even sure it's illegal
Sounds like an opinion…
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
I don’t answer disingenuous questions. Because I’m not a clapping seal. Just make your point like an adult.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Question you should be asking is why Republicans and conservatives never discuss reversing Teddy Kennedy's "reforms" to immigration laws.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am to Hester Carries
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"What you said and the intent doesnt matter. What it can later, in other contexts be twisted to mean by those with ulterior motives does"
is actually a perfect embodiment of the left.
Wrong use of the Left. I'm preventing MAGA from adopting Leftist principles like making the Constitution a "living document" (their goal in this scenario)
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
"Illegal non-citizens"
Was this a generally recognized concept in England or even in the US at the time of the Amendment.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
You are only invested in being a contrarian here.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:57 am to momentoftruth87
quote:
Sounds like an opinion…
EXACTLY why I asked him to cite the law he's referencing. To analyze facts.
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