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Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:03 am to TrueTiger
Did people really think any country would write a check? Seriously? A real check?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:15 am to geaux88
quote:Trump: Mexico will pay for the Wall.
You are an ignorant pathetic brainwashed wretch. Please have your mommy take you out of her basement and to the veterinarian’s office to be humanely euthanized.
Herd: Trump never said Mexico,would write a check for the Wall,
OP: Links to Trump statement about “one-time payment” from Mexico.
Herd: ACTUALLY, the word “check” is not there. “One time payment” might mean “wire transfer,” you idiot.
Good Lord.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:23 am to foshizzle
It’s amazing that Trump gets away with saying Mexico is going to write us a check and now we are shutting down the gub over it.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:29 am to foshizzle
quote:
Yes, Trump really did say Mexico would write a check for the wall
quote:This kind of continuous BS just leaves me sad.
foshizzle
Are you really that stupid, or did you not read your own link?
quote:Let's repeat that, because you seem to have missed it
There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
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There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
quote:
There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:31 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:32 am to TOKEN
Hmm, Obama said I'd save $2500/year and keep my Dr. After that whopper of a lie the Dems still put the key architect of that shite stain back in power. Get back to me later on President Trumps position. His has wall has yet to be determined how it is going to be paid for yet but we know how the ACA has turned out 
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:36 am to iron banks
quote:Not comparable.
Obama said I'd save $2500/year
Obama lied.
Trump laid out a plan, and executed it EXACTLY as he promised.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 4:43 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:20 am to iron banks
quote:
Hmm, Obama said I'd save $2500/year and keep my Dr. After that whopper of a lie the Dems still put the key architect of that shite stain back in power. Get back to me later on President Trumps position. His has wall has yet to be determined how it is going to be paid for yet but we know how the ACA has turned out
Wait, because Obama lied his arse off I’m suppose to give Trump a pass on Mexico paying for the Wall?
Sorry, I’m not going to bury my head in the sand when someone isn’t truthful. Trump said “Mexico will pay for the Wall” about a thousand times and even mentioned Mexico writing us a check to cover the cost. You can downvote and call people names but it doesn’t change the FACTS.
I’m not necessarily against the wall and think barriers in strategic places makes some sense but let’s not act like the goalposts aren’t being moved here.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:26 am to TOKEN
quote:Yet YOU DO.
but it doesn’t change the FACTS.
Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall vis-a-vis trade modifications
quote:Trump did exactly as promised.
There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States,
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:29 am to foshizzle
Yes
Mexico really is paying for it with the trade deal
God damn you assholes are a fricking anvil around the country’s neck.
Mexico really is paying for it with the trade deal
God damn you assholes are a fricking anvil around the country’s neck.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:33 am to TOKEN
quote:The "goalposts" on this issue have not moved a fraction of an inch since Trump announced his candidacy.
let’s not act like the goalposts aren’t being moved here.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:43 am to gthog61
quote:You people keep saying this, and we KEEP asking you to link to ANY legitimate, objective analysis comparing US government receipts under NAFTA versus prjoected receipts under this new deal.
Mexico really is paying for it with the trade deal
And you CONTINUE to refuse to do so.
The response is usually something like “Orange Man said so. Why do you hate America?”
From Brookings:
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Overall, the changes from the old NAFTA are mostly cosmetic. After a year and a half of negotiations, the three parties are going to end up with a new trade deal that looks remarkably similar to the old NAFTA. The main structure of the deal is largely intact; the biggest changes include higher rules-of-origin requirements for the auto sector, marginally greater U.S. access to the Canadian dairy market, and a scale-back of the investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) rules. Thus we shouldn’t expect to see any dramatic economic effects from this deal—though if it convinces businesses’ that U.S. withdrawal from NAFTA is no longer on the table, resolving this uncertainty may lead to a small increase in investment
While this might be a (modest) short-term victory for the U.S., it risks undermining America’s long-term interests. The fact that both Mexico (on autos) and Canada (on dairy) took some small steps to appease Trump’s demands should not be surprising—the U.S. is more important to their economies than vice versa. Does this imply Trump was right all along, that previous American trade negotiators had been foolishly taken advantage of? Hardly. Indeed, while the U.S. gained a few minor, discrete achievements in these talks, Trump’s approach in the renegotiations have likely undermined broader long-term American interests. As a global power, the U.S. has sought to exert influence by investing in “soft power,” the ability to convince other countries their own interests in fact align with those of the U.S. In seeking to squeeze a few more dimes out of Canada and Mexico, Trump is telling America’s allies that they should no longer be so inviting of American power. Since Trump’s election, a number of U.S. allies have already taken steps to balance against U.S. power, and diversify their interests away from America. The U.S. approach to NAFTA’s renegotiation should only accelerate this trend..
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 6:08 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:44 am to NC_Tigah
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There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States
When it comes to the USMCA, Mexico generally doesn't pay taxes on goods imported into the U.S. If there are tariffs, U.S. companies pay them. Higher tariffs can force a company to pass on that extra cost to the consumer. Your theory is that the U.S. economy will be so good under the new agreement that the U.S. Treasury's coffers will swell, providing enough funds to pay the billions for the wall. That's a lot of ifs, given the current impasse, experts have noted.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:50 am to foshizzle
No
one
cares...
one
cares...
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:55 am to foshizzle
quote:
Yes, Trump really did say Mexico would write a check for the wall
No I really don't give a shite EXACTLY what he said.
Listening to the natty news last night (yeah I know my mistake) and this was story #1, which tells you how shitty the media is.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 6:05 am to foshizzle
quote:
foshizzle
You stupid or desparate?
Lots of both?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 6:12 am to foshizzle
Imagine being so beaten down to have to resort to semantics about a campaign promise 
This is what happens when you’re looking for any win possible.
This is what happens when you’re looking for any win possible.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 6:14 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Trump: Mexico will pay for the Wall.
Herd: Trump never said Mexico,would write a check for the Wall,
OP: Links to Trump statement about “one-time payment” from Mexico.
Herd: ACTUALLY, the word “check” is not there. “One time payment” might mean “wire transfer,” you idiot.
Good Lord.
Are you not entertained? I tell people about this board and they don’t believe me. Then they come and read one of the many civil war post and the look on their face afterwards.... this has been a very entertaining couple of years.
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