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re: Arsenal 2013/2014 Season Long Thread
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:40 am to Friend of OBUDan
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:40 am to Friend of OBUDan
I'm also a keen believer that this team has to be built around my man Mesut. Cesc had his chance but he went to his first love, who ultimately punch him in the nuts.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:41 am to Bottom9
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:43 am to Friend of OBUDan
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at this point in Cesc's career, it's more santi/rosicky/poldi/gnabry/ox/theo/giroud over cesc than rambo or wilshere.
Yeah we should have dropped Rosicky and Diaby and brought Cesc back.
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but maybe jose will try and move him back deeper! that'd be fun.
Wouldn't that be a sight? I always loved Cesc as a DLP, but Wenger saw him as a number 10, and made him an absolutely fantastic player. But then he didn't defend, he unbalanced the squad, and he got injured a bunch.
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if he didn't like mata, how the hell is he gonna play cesc? his defending is awful these days.
He could play a 4-4-1-1 giving Cesc complete freedom, but that isn't Mourinho's style.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:44 am to Bottom9
quote:This is exactly how I feel. Cesc had the team built around him and he left for somewhere which turned out to be a bad choice arguably. Now we have Ozil and the team will be built around him, if Arsenal can get Ozil's form back at Real it will soften the Cesc blow.
I'm also a keen believer that this team has to be built around my man Mesut. Cesc had his chance but he went to his first love, who ultimately punch him in the nuts.
It's good to see Arsenal really did pass over him I guess, it would've really sucked if they just got sucker punched by him picking Chelsea over Arsenal.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:49 am to crazy4lsu
as i just tweeted, all arsene did last year when given the chance was force frick 5 CMs into the XI so yeah, we couldn't have used cesc.
love tomas. feel bad for diaby. good guys. but i would've dropped them in a heartbeat. i'd even have been cool with selling santi to atleti too if we "needed" to do that to balance the books to bring cesc back.
huge pressure on AW now. has to knock it out of the park this transfer window or else arsenal fans will be all over him.
love tomas. feel bad for diaby. good guys. but i would've dropped them in a heartbeat. i'd even have been cool with selling santi to atleti too if we "needed" to do that to balance the books to bring cesc back.
huge pressure on AW now. has to knock it out of the park this transfer window or else arsenal fans will be all over him.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:49 am to Jabroni
Also, him getting the Heisman (stiff arm) from Arsene is a sure fire sign that he's going to make a splash on the market.
No Cesc equals more money and it saves us a ton on the wage bill.
We're going to be fine folks.
No Cesc equals more money and it saves us a ton on the wage bill.
We're going to be fine folks.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:52 am to Bottom9
I'm cautiously optimistic about this window, I am worried Arsene is waiting for things to fall in place to target a Benzema type player. At this point last year you would've laughed if you were told Arsenal would sign Ozil, hopefully Arsene can pull off a type of signing like that again.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:55 am to Friend of OBUDan
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as i just tweeted, all arsene did last year when given the chance was force frick 5 CMs into the XI so yeah, we couldn't have used cesc.
Well that was due to injuries to our wingers. I honestly don't think that was what he wanted. I think Cesc and Ozil would have worked well together, as doesn't always require the ball played to feet. Cesc's movement has always been good, and with a proper DM you could have jammed them into the same side. Defending would have been hilarious, but I would have taken it.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:01 am to crazy4lsu
he did it quite a few times when we had healthy wingers. not to mention his insistence on not letting Gnabry get a consistent run despite his good showings.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:11 am to Friend of OBUDan
Well I think Wenger sees Cazorla and Rosicky as wide midfielders, not wingers, while we seem to think of them as only CMs. The biggest difference is that sometimes we played five midfielders who all required the ball at their feet. We can chalk up Wilshere and Ramsey's time on the wing as an education as well.
Also I feel Gnabry fit more into the wide midfielder mold than he did in the winger mold. His off the ball movement was not nearly as dynamic as a player like Miyachi, who we all now know is not as good. Gnabry plays a lot like Podolski, and I think both have the ultimate desire to play centrally, which is disappointing.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I can see what Wenger was going for each time, though I can't say it always worked. We were a mess at that time too, getting destroyed defensively, getting confused postionally, and those problems seemed to disappear once Ramsey returned. So maybe we are reliant on a box to box player like Ramsey which sets a dangerous precedent considering his injury record.
Also I feel Gnabry fit more into the wide midfielder mold than he did in the winger mold. His off the ball movement was not nearly as dynamic as a player like Miyachi, who we all now know is not as good. Gnabry plays a lot like Podolski, and I think both have the ultimate desire to play centrally, which is disappointing.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I can see what Wenger was going for each time, though I can't say it always worked. We were a mess at that time too, getting destroyed defensively, getting confused postionally, and those problems seemed to disappear once Ramsey returned. So maybe we are reliant on a box to box player like Ramsey which sets a dangerous precedent considering his injury record.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
it's cool, we've got diaby to back rambo up now!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:24 am to Friend of OBUDan
I see Wilshere as Ramsey's back-up as well as Ozil's eventual successor.
And if Diaby was healthy that would be a fantastic back-up. Such a graceful amazing player when he's healthy. Hopefully this new fitness coach will improve us where it really counts. If we had a normal injury record last season I think we could have won the title. Ramsey and Wilshere are going to be important to the way we play. I know people don't see it yet with Wilshere but he has fantastic ability and is really close to putting it together. I doubt the midfield pairing of Ramsey and Wilshere could ever work together, unless we went to the 4-4-2, but paired with a DM, I think both would be fantastic. In that preseason where they were paired with Song in the 4-1-4-1 they looked good together, and then Wilshere got hurt.
I think we will be fine without Cesc ultimately, but we sure could have used him.
And if Diaby was healthy that would be a fantastic back-up. Such a graceful amazing player when he's healthy. Hopefully this new fitness coach will improve us where it really counts. If we had a normal injury record last season I think we could have won the title. Ramsey and Wilshere are going to be important to the way we play. I know people don't see it yet with Wilshere but he has fantastic ability and is really close to putting it together. I doubt the midfield pairing of Ramsey and Wilshere could ever work together, unless we went to the 4-4-2, but paired with a DM, I think both would be fantastic. In that preseason where they were paired with Song in the 4-1-4-1 they looked good together, and then Wilshere got hurt.
I think we will be fine without Cesc ultimately, but we sure could have used him.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:35 am to crazy4lsu
hopefully this will be the year Wilshere breaks out. i keep waiting. i see the signs but i lose a little bit of hope every season. it's easy to forget how young he is.
i'm not sure i ever see him as Ozil's successor though. i haven't seen a consistency in making key passes/goal situations from him whether it be from a lack of vision or being able to perfect that final ball. again though, maybe he can improve there. his assist record is pretty scarce though.
i think ozil's eventual successor will be zelalem or crowley, though that's highly, highly speculative. (mainly i think that because ozil still has at least 4 or 5 top years in the tank.) zelalem has a long way to go, but in his short time (mainly in preseason) he showed more vision/ability for the final ball than any MF we have outside Ozil. maybe i'm overestimating that ability as nature rather than nuture though.
i'm not sure i ever see him as Ozil's successor though. i haven't seen a consistency in making key passes/goal situations from him whether it be from a lack of vision or being able to perfect that final ball. again though, maybe he can improve there. his assist record is pretty scarce though.
i think ozil's eventual successor will be zelalem or crowley, though that's highly, highly speculative. (mainly i think that because ozil still has at least 4 or 5 top years in the tank.) zelalem has a long way to go, but in his short time (mainly in preseason) he showed more vision/ability for the final ball than any MF we have outside Ozil. maybe i'm overestimating that ability as nature rather than nuture though.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:53 am to Friend of OBUDan
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hopefully this will be the year Wilshere breaks out. i keep waiting. i see the signs but i lose a little bit of hope every season. it's easy to forget how young he is.
O ye of little faith. Wilshere is a class talent. One day things are going to slow down for him and he'll get it. The fear is that we don't know when that will be.
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i'm not sure i ever see him as Ozil's successor though. i haven't seen a consistency in making key passes/goal situations from him whether it be from a lack of vision or being able to perfect that final ball. again though, maybe he can improve there. his assist record is pretty scarce though.
Well I think consistency here is the key. He's holding on to the ball less and less. I was lucky to download his season highlights before it was taken down. Some of his through balls are absolutely amazing. He's still amazing on the ball, and superb on the dribble.
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i think ozil's eventual successor will be zelalem or crowley, though that's highly, highly speculative. (mainly i think that because ozil still has at least 4 or 5 top years in the tank.) zelalem has a long way to go, but in his short time (mainly in preseason) he showed more vision/ability for the final ball than any MF we have outside Ozil. maybe i'm overestimating that ability as nature rather than nuture though.
I see Zelalem as a deeper MF, though his ability to retain the ball in tight areas is really good, and his vision is unbelievable. He has to bulk up as he struggled in that deeper role, but he's as smooth a player as we've had. Crowley is a like a cross between Cazorla and Rosicky. Hopefully both can get loans so they can develop even further.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:59 am to crazy4lsu
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O ye of little faith. Wilshere is a class talent.
i think i admitted i can have little faith
he and jason heyward have been linked in my mind for some reason. both unreal talents who had spectacular first campaigns making their breakthroughs in the same year, but have struggled to maintain any consistent greatness due to injury, etc. i think wilshere has all the tools, i just get more worried every year that he isn't going to put it together. but he is super young so i'll probably be wrong.Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:01 pm to Friend of OBUDan
the inevitable happens, BUT WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE TODAY FFS
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:07 pm to Friend of OBUDan
You are making me want to pull up some Ramsey posts from some time ago. I never stopped believing in him, though I thought he would turn into a new version of Ray Parlour rather than the demi-god he has become.
It's hard to categorize Wilshere's problems, because sometimes he does things really well and other times he struggles at those things he did well just a minute before. That leads me to believe that it is a mental thing with him, much like Ramsey, rather than a technical limitation.
He just needs an injury free season. That's all. It took Ramsey a season and a half of injury free game time before he finally started turning the corner. Wilshere needs the same.
Looking back at the beginning of the season, it's entirely possible that a Wilshere-Ramsey combo could work. But each would have to bite the bullet in terms of staying back, or taking turns. We won four games with that axis, and only gave up 4 goals, albeit 3 to Villa in that awful game. If Wilshere could stay back and be the DLP, we could have Arteta's successor in the team.
It's hard to categorize Wilshere's problems, because sometimes he does things really well and other times he struggles at those things he did well just a minute before. That leads me to believe that it is a mental thing with him, much like Ramsey, rather than a technical limitation.
He just needs an injury free season. That's all. It took Ramsey a season and a half of injury free game time before he finally started turning the corner. Wilshere needs the same.
Looking back at the beginning of the season, it's entirely possible that a Wilshere-Ramsey combo could work. But each would have to bite the bullet in terms of staying back, or taking turns. We won four games with that axis, and only gave up 4 goals, albeit 3 to Villa in that awful game. If Wilshere could stay back and be the DLP, we could have Arteta's successor in the team.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:17 pm to crazy4lsu
i don't think i'm emphasizing enough the admitted irrationality of my feelings on this matter. rationally, it makes a great deal of sense to think he could break through, even as early as this coming season, and become a world class player. my irrationality focuses on the other side of that, mainly because i'm impatient. he does need a run without injury. what's troublesome is that he (and gibbo considering they're both big young talents) is that he can't stay fit and it leads you to wonder if it will always be that way.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 6:42 am to Friend of OBUDan
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:06 am to MickDodge
yeah I saw cross' report this morning. doesn't hugely surprise me were not interested in keeping Vela, but certainly makes sense we'd buy back for that profit. hopefully he becomes a valuable chip in landing griezmann. if not, we still stand to make a sizeable profit.
cross says we netted 5m pounds off the cesc sale.
cross says we netted 5m pounds off the cesc sale.
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