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Charges filed against 6 in Hillsborough disaster
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:41 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:41 am
Posted in the Liverpool thread, but felt it deserves its own... David Duckenfield among those charged, he faces 95 counts of manslaughter
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:55 am to Tigerfan7218
came here to post this. Big day for sure. Texting my scouser buddy now.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:58 am to Tigerfan7218
Ridiculous
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:03 am to RandySavage
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Ridiculous
why?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
I'm fine with people who participated in any covering up being charged but it's ridiculous to blame the deaths on any one, or six, people. Hundreds had a hand in it.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:13 am to RandySavage
Did you read the article?
Duckenfield is charged with manslaughter (and I'd argue rightly so).
The other 5 are really charged in the attempted cover up and perversion of justice (which they absolutely should be).
Obviously it will never bring the 96 back, but these people should be held responsible for a lack of safety at the ground and then trying to blame the fans for the problems that they created
Duckenfield is charged with manslaughter (and I'd argue rightly so).
The other 5 are really charged in the attempted cover up and perversion of justice (which they absolutely should be).
Obviously it will never bring the 96 back, but these people should be held responsible for a lack of safety at the ground and then trying to blame the fans for the problems that they created
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:25 am to Tigerfan7218
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Duckenfield is charged with manslaughter (and I'd argue rightly so).
Agree to disagree.
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The other 5 are really charged in the attempted cover up and perversion of justice (which they absolutely should be).
I'm fine with that.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:54 am to RandySavage
Randy I lean your way some. I support Everton and I've been to Liverpool, but I nonetheless find it unnatural how the deaths are so directly blamed on individuals. Was there negligence? Of course. Would we typically claim blood was on the hands of someone who committed these acts of negligence in the US? Probably less so.
But I think the difference comes from two places -
1) that people in the UK, and in my experience scousers in particular, are far less "individual responsibility" oriented than most of us. Not getting political, but the wall between government and individual is just obviously far lower.
2) that Liverpudlians, particularly in the time of Thatcher, felt victimized by the rest of the country and media, and were rightfully enraged by how they were portrayed. Liverpool, and football fans in particular, were vilified unfairly.
But I think the difference comes from two places -
1) that people in the UK, and in my experience scousers in particular, are far less "individual responsibility" oriented than most of us. Not getting political, but the wall between government and individual is just obviously far lower.
2) that Liverpudlians, particularly in the time of Thatcher, felt victimized by the rest of the country and media, and were rightfully enraged by how they were portrayed. Liverpool, and football fans in particular, were vilified unfairly.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:56 am to Pettifogger
even in the US, negligent homicide is a thing. Not saying he should (or will) be convicted necessarily, but the charge isn't totally crazy.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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even in the US, negligent homicide is a thing. Not saying he should (or will) be convicted necessarily, but the charge isn't totally crazy.
Of course. But I would be highly surprised to see such a charge in a similar situation in the United States, especially years later.
This, I believe, is the product of a couple of decades of public outrage about the aftermath of the incident, more than anything else.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:42 am to Pettifogger
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Liverpool, and football fans in particular, were vilified unfairly.
They earned their reputation though and, rightly or wrongly, in this case it came back to bite them some.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:02 pm to RandySavage
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They earned their reputation though
Negative... the reports were fabricated by a certain publication, in particular...
And yes, I'm fully aware of Heysel
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:25 pm to TFTC
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Negative... the reports were fabricated by a certain publication, in particular... And yes, I'm fully aware of Heysel
Then the reputation from Heysel is warranted
Hillsborough no they were not at fault.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:40 pm to Pettifogger
What will Steve from the old Fox soccer show do? He always blamed Liverpool fans, which was his downfall.
His stand took him from a good chance of being a big part of fox soccer down the road to fired, and gone from any type of soccer shows.
His stand took him from a good chance of being a big part of fox soccer down the road to fired, and gone from any type of soccer shows.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:40 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Hillsborough no they were not at fault.
exactly and Pettifogger's statement that Randy replied to was around the Hillsborough incident, in which they were vilified for pickpocketing victims, urinating on police officers and beating up those engaged in the rescue... None of which has a hill of beans to do with Heysel..
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:24 pm to Pettifogger
Duckenfield was put in command only 19 days before the FA Cup Semi-Final and had almost no experience policing football matches before this event. One would think someone with intimate knowledge of football fan behavior and crowd control would have been put in command of this event. I don't think a criminal charge would survive that fact in this country given what appears to be the negligence of his superiors. The guy made serious errors and did himself no favors afterwards but I don't think his conduct is criminal.
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