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Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I'll take late 90's Italia for the win.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:54 pm to Girth Donor
TYFYS
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Pavel!!!
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:56 pm to Girth Donor
But we are talking about Mourinho's desire to sit back with good attacking talent, which wasn't true at Madrid.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:59 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Europe doesn't have any rivalries that are as ridiculous as Arsenal-Man U from 97-05 or Barca-Madrid from the early noughties. shite like that is always more entertaining than the games themselves.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:59 pm to crazy4lsu
Ok bruh, you wasted 15 min looking up stats when I was paraphrasing shite about Jose. 95% of his managerial career has been sitting back and countering. I've been watching that mostly negative style since he was at Oporto.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:
Buckle the frick up pussy
we are making Man United Great Again
That made me lol.
You would love my shirt...
MCGA
But seriously, what does United do with Lukaku? He's too arrogant to accept his current role.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:03 pm to Dead End
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I'm literally rocking that shirt today.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:27 pm to Girth Donor
Wait, you've watched him since Porto, and you conveniently forgot how good those Madrid teams were? Weird.
Regardless, at Inter he had a good functional system too which wasn't necessarily based on countering, at least in league play. Though Mourinho could ask his wide players to play as defensive wingers, in league play his teams often had the ball more than the opposition, a fact in of itself that should dispel the notion that he was simply a coach dedicated to countering. His Inter teams, and the Madrid teams that followed, had to break down teams more often than they had to counter. I'd wager that most of their goals came from regular open play than from counters. He had a functional system, which sometimes saw Zanetti at midfield or LB or RB to counter a specific opposition threat, for the purpose of freeing an offensive player to focus more on attacking. He always tailored his teams for the purpose of freeing players to attack. That's evidence of pragmatism rather than negativity, though Mourinho would go full on negative when he had to. The notion that he was a negative manager doesn't do justice to his tactical nous. The decision to play Wesley Sneijder in a withdrawn central role, not quite an attacking midfielder but not quite a central midfielder, was the key move of the 2009-10 Inter season. Sneijder had space to pick passes, which is what drove that team offensively.
His best countering teams were those Chelsea teams, otherwise he's been pretty pragmatic about how the team should play. I'd argue that his real innovation was to use the 4-3-3 the way he did, with the wingers still high up the field, pressing as a unit. He was the first manager to take advantage of the offside rule change in 2005, which made a player offside only if he was making a play at the ball. This made teams sit as deep as the furthest forward attacking player and destroyed the point of the old offside trap. Space in front of the CB's opened up, and the 4-4-2 was inadequate to deal with teams with three midfielders, who could move the ball around quickly.
I think his inability to take Man U to the next level is more indicative to his notion of vertical space. He was at his best when he could dictate to teams how they would approach his midfield. If they were drawn upfield to close space on a midfielder, he would always have a spare man, to move the ball around the midfield. His problem is that he had massive trouble with teams who emphasized horizontal space. The defining feature of Pep's teams has always been how wide they keep the field in offensive sets, as usually teams become more and more narrow as they move to goal, which played into manager's like Mourinho (and to a certain extent, Wenger) philosophy. The width caused problems due to picking up third runners, which disrupted the defensive shape. A manager like Klopp has counteracted this by using the offensive width defensively, in the sense that he saw counterpressing as just another offensive transition, rather than Guardiola, who saw it as a transition between organized possession and positional play without the ball. What I mean here is that Guardiola sees counterpressing as a way of forcing the opposition into making a poor decision, with the goal that his team should get back into a defensive shape. Klopp sees it as an opportunity to create a play, with the idea that the player on the ball likelihood of playing a defense splitting pass is so minimal that he can commit more players to winning the ball in that particular phase than traditionally thought.
Mourinho (and Wenger too) never adapted to the horizontal element of the post-2005 game. A coach noted for defense, like Simeone, is successful because he insists on being both vertically compact and narrow, ceding possession until the opposition passes themselves into a corner, at which they can overwhelm and then break at speed. So fundamentally, having watched Mourinho since 2004 as well, I disagree that he spent a majority of his career countering. He was a pragmatic manager who couldn't adapt to a new feature of the game, because what worked for him the past worked so well. It's almost the same story as Wenger.
Regardless, at Inter he had a good functional system too which wasn't necessarily based on countering, at least in league play. Though Mourinho could ask his wide players to play as defensive wingers, in league play his teams often had the ball more than the opposition, a fact in of itself that should dispel the notion that he was simply a coach dedicated to countering. His Inter teams, and the Madrid teams that followed, had to break down teams more often than they had to counter. I'd wager that most of their goals came from regular open play than from counters. He had a functional system, which sometimes saw Zanetti at midfield or LB or RB to counter a specific opposition threat, for the purpose of freeing an offensive player to focus more on attacking. He always tailored his teams for the purpose of freeing players to attack. That's evidence of pragmatism rather than negativity, though Mourinho would go full on negative when he had to. The notion that he was a negative manager doesn't do justice to his tactical nous. The decision to play Wesley Sneijder in a withdrawn central role, not quite an attacking midfielder but not quite a central midfielder, was the key move of the 2009-10 Inter season. Sneijder had space to pick passes, which is what drove that team offensively.
His best countering teams were those Chelsea teams, otherwise he's been pretty pragmatic about how the team should play. I'd argue that his real innovation was to use the 4-3-3 the way he did, with the wingers still high up the field, pressing as a unit. He was the first manager to take advantage of the offside rule change in 2005, which made a player offside only if he was making a play at the ball. This made teams sit as deep as the furthest forward attacking player and destroyed the point of the old offside trap. Space in front of the CB's opened up, and the 4-4-2 was inadequate to deal with teams with three midfielders, who could move the ball around quickly.
I think his inability to take Man U to the next level is more indicative to his notion of vertical space. He was at his best when he could dictate to teams how they would approach his midfield. If they were drawn upfield to close space on a midfielder, he would always have a spare man, to move the ball around the midfield. His problem is that he had massive trouble with teams who emphasized horizontal space. The defining feature of Pep's teams has always been how wide they keep the field in offensive sets, as usually teams become more and more narrow as they move to goal, which played into manager's like Mourinho (and to a certain extent, Wenger) philosophy. The width caused problems due to picking up third runners, which disrupted the defensive shape. A manager like Klopp has counteracted this by using the offensive width defensively, in the sense that he saw counterpressing as just another offensive transition, rather than Guardiola, who saw it as a transition between organized possession and positional play without the ball. What I mean here is that Guardiola sees counterpressing as a way of forcing the opposition into making a poor decision, with the goal that his team should get back into a defensive shape. Klopp sees it as an opportunity to create a play, with the idea that the player on the ball likelihood of playing a defense splitting pass is so minimal that he can commit more players to winning the ball in that particular phase than traditionally thought.
Mourinho (and Wenger too) never adapted to the horizontal element of the post-2005 game. A coach noted for defense, like Simeone, is successful because he insists on being both vertically compact and narrow, ceding possession until the opposition passes themselves into a corner, at which they can overwhelm and then break at speed. So fundamentally, having watched Mourinho since 2004 as well, I disagree that he spent a majority of his career countering. He was a pragmatic manager who couldn't adapt to a new feature of the game, because what worked for him the past worked so well. It's almost the same story as Wenger.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:55 pm to crazy4lsu
Bruh, you're a good poster, but I'm not reading all of that shite.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 3:15 pm to Girth Donor
It ain't that long. It's good shite.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 3:20 pm to crazy4lsu
I'll talk tactics all day while throwing back some liquor.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 4:58 pm to Girth Donor
Mario Mandzukic is having a big year for Juventus
2 goals shy of his high in goals for a season at juve, scoring some big goals, and pushing others for starting spot.
32 going on 25
2 goals shy of his high in goals for a season at juve, scoring some big goals, and pushing others for starting spot.
32 going on 25
Posted on 12/22/18 at 7:19 pm to SirWinston
quote:
Me good mate has 4 units on Redskins +10.5 - I like the play as Tenn is walking wounded
Cashed that, albeit for only .5 unit
Posted on 12/23/18 at 7:16 am to SirWinston
Leeds have SIX academy players on the bench.
Posted on 12/23/18 at 7:54 am to S
Already 2-0, I can only pray that my dear Emma is holding up okay.
Leeds’ away kit should always be a yellow shirt with blue pants
Leeds’ away kit should always be a yellow shirt with blue pants
Posted on 12/23/18 at 8:49 am to Girth Donor
quote:
I'll talk tactics all day while throwing back some liquor.
I enjoyed your post.
Posted on 12/23/18 at 8:55 am to Dumpster
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