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re: mls vs english leagues
Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:41 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:41 am to jimmy the leg
The Championship is an absolute gauntlet
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:43 am to Michael Stein
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The Australian A-League is probably the best comparison to MLS, since the structure is similar.
Not even close.
The A-League is like MLS from the early 2000s. It's a league filled with Aussies, New Zealanders and the random (shite) Brazilian.
They aren't getting Giovinco, Dos Santos, Lodeiro level talent there. Not even close.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:28 am to Sheep
I never said the quality of A-League was similar (it's way behind MLS). I just said the structure of the A-League is similar to MLS, meaning it's built on a similar parity-encouraging, financial fair play model. They even have playoffs like we do, last time I checked, and I believe a salary cap, as well.
That's why I compare the two leagues, and think any unbiased observer would agree with all of us that MLS is way ahead of the A-League at this point. It's a lot harder to compare MLS to your normal European league because the structure is so different from what we are used to in America.
That's why I compare the two leagues, and think any unbiased observer would agree with all of us that MLS is way ahead of the A-League at this point. It's a lot harder to compare MLS to your normal European league because the structure is so different from what we are used to in America.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:57 am to blight
I'd say MLS is between League 1 and the Championship as a whole.
I'd really like to see where MLS compares to other leagues that were founded in the late 80's/early 90's, such as the K-League, J-League, and A-League. I know the A-League is fairly poor, but Korea and Japan have both produced players who've played for bigger clubs as well as some gifted technical players. The J-League went in the completely different direction from the franchise model, promoting amateur clubs rather than starting clubs from scratch, and I think that model has served them well, especially with regard to producing tidy technical players. I'd love to see us play Japan (who I think we would beat) just to gauge the technique vs athleticism debate.
I'd really like to see where MLS compares to other leagues that were founded in the late 80's/early 90's, such as the K-League, J-League, and A-League. I know the A-League is fairly poor, but Korea and Japan have both produced players who've played for bigger clubs as well as some gifted technical players. The J-League went in the completely different direction from the franchise model, promoting amateur clubs rather than starting clubs from scratch, and I think that model has served them well, especially with regard to producing tidy technical players. I'd love to see us play Japan (who I think we would beat) just to gauge the technique vs athleticism debate.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:23 am to blight
Hard to compare.
The lack of depth for most MLS teams wouldn't be able to endure 46 league matches against teams of that calibre and two domestic league cups to even survive relegation in the championship.
With that said, it's not really a fair fight considering the two vastly different structures of each division/league. If you give a club like FC Dallas or Toronto FC adequate time to structure their squad for the FLC, then they'd stand a decent chance at competing for a playoff place.
The lack of depth for most MLS teams wouldn't be able to endure 46 league matches against teams of that calibre and two domestic league cups to even survive relegation in the championship.
With that said, it's not really a fair fight considering the two vastly different structures of each division/league. If you give a club like FC Dallas or Toronto FC adequate time to structure their squad for the FLC, then they'd stand a decent chance at competing for a playoff place.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:36 am to oauron
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What?! FCD is far better than League 1 squad. I'm saying this as a Houston fan.
I go to several to FCD matches a year and would probably say they'd compete for promotion in League 1.
I don't think any MLS teams have the depth to play 46 league matches and be a top team towards the end.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 3:46 pm to Sheep
This is why A-League sucks.
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ISSUE 1: TRANSFER FEES
Australian clubs cannot earn transfer fees for intra A-League deals. “It’s absolutely ridiculous,” Bosnich said, while also looking at the National Premier League level, the second tier that he feels can be responsible for developling top players. “The maximum a National Premier League club can charge on a transfer fee after developing a player is $7000 - that’s a joke. “The NPL has developed top class players ... What type of incentive have you got to go and pay a coach to train players? That has got to stop,” Bosnich said.
ISSUE 2: SALARY CAP Bosnich said the impact of the salary cap in Australia is a “mirage” that’s hurting Australian football, pointing to the fact that it is hardly equalising talent, because there’s a 36 point gap between first and fifth. “That salary cap’s supposed to be an equaliser - that’s a mirage,” Bosnich said. “The top five non salary cap leagues: England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France: less points between first and 10th.” Adelaide, the Wanderers and the Roar finished first, second and third last year but now they’re 10th, sixth and fifth and have, according to Bosnich, essentially “been punished for their success” in the Asian Champions League. Unable to spend money to re-enforce their squad or keep their best players, each team has been dismantled by high-spending Asian teams. “It’s ridiculous,” said Bosnich, who declared it’s “archaic”. “Forget other sports (and what other Australian clubs do) ... they have not got an international market. “We are playing against the rest of the world and you’re continually punishing people for success.”
3: LACK OF AMBITION Rudan, a coach at grass roots level in New South Wales, said Australia “100 per cent” lacks ambition when it comes to providing opportunities. “There’s that many kids who are desperate ... dreaming to make a football career for themselves,” Rudan said. “But their dreams are stopped because there aren’t enough opportunities for them.” Rudan says with 10 A-League teams, “we’re not giving it [opportunity] to them”. “I’ve had those chats with crying players in my dressing room. It's tough because you are so passionate about the game. “We are denying kids the chance to show their talent and we are losing so many.” He added that FFA’s lack of money is a “poor” and “lazy” excuse not to expand. “There are so many upsides to creating not just two but hopefully four more clubs,” Rudan said. “Build it and they will come. We have that many kids playing that we have to change it.” Football has the highest participation of sport among kids in Australia, but it hasn’t translated in the A-League “We have that many kids who are play our game who just aren’t given the opportunity to play in the top competition,” Rudan said.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:10 am to McCaigBro69
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I don't think any MLS teams have the depth to play 46 league matches and be a top team towards the end.
I argued that the top teams would avoid relegation in the Championship, not that they would win it.
If an MLS was in that league, they'd have a lot more money to spend to build a roster that has a lot more depth.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 11:11 am
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