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re: Super League may NOT actually be happening!
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:18 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:18 pm to I Bleed Garnet
No one has mentioned how much of an extra tax teams are going bolt on selling to teams in the super league. Your going to see squad players going for crazy amounts. So in a way I think youll see some money trickle down to lower level sides.
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Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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City fans can go back to supporting Stockport and Bolton
United fans can get on the Salford and FC United train
All the MLS fan channels on Insta are acting like European fans are going to somehow flock to MLS teams because of all this. At least the ones on my feed are.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:21 pm to DByrd2
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flock to MLS teams
Lol
They’ll just flock to Germany or France before that happens
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:22 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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A closed system isn’t a free market
UEFA is trying to maintain their own "closed system", so what's wrong with the Super League clubs investing in their own?
It is a free market response.
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That’s why so many people have issues with MLS
That I can agree with. But the MLS is free to frick up as they please, as are the Super League, and UEFA as well.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:24 pm to DByrd2
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The ones where you see an investment opportunity and make moves to accomplish it.
By making a league where you can’t suffer the consequences of your failures, essentially franchising the league?
Again, what the frick did Tottenham do this decade to be included in a league with fricking Real Madrid? What did Man U do? Or Arsenal? Or Barca?
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As far as I am aware, there are no laws being broken in them doing this.
There might be FIFA bylaws that are broken, and hopefully FIFA, UEFA, and the other confederations put up a united front, because this is greed, plain and simple. There isn’t any free market principle at play here, just scheming by a bunch of boomer American retards to protect their investment from their inability to understand the sport. Why Kroenke should see any windfall from this rather than the man who built the club, Arsene Wenger, is beyond me. We could again ask these questions of all the clubs. I mean, Barca bought poorly, and wasted the last 6 years of Messi’s career forcing him to play deep to cover for Barca’s inability to buy or develop appropriate talent, and according to this stilted free market logic, we should reward Barca indefinitely for Messi’s utter genius. The free market line is tremendously stupid, because if anything, this last decade has proved that these clubs aren’t operating in a free market regardless. They can of course make arrangements with whoever they see fit, but would you trust the collective lot of them to even build any club? Perez is a sterling executive, but none of the rest deserve to be included with the men who built these clubs, in truth. We both know that.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:26 pm to DByrd2
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UEFA is trying to maintain their own "closed system", so what's wrong with the Super League clubs investing in their own?
Do you understand what UEFA is? Like who are its members, and what is their relationship to sporting clubs?
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That I can agree with. But the MLS is free to frick up as they please, as are the Super League, and UEFA as well.
What has UEFA fricked up? Be specific with an example, if you could.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
So gross. The current Champions League tournament is the best designed tournament in the world. The coefficient system is brilliant(college football needs to steal it). They really even need to have a third tournament and expand Europa. frick Kroenke. I'm ashamed that Arsenal is a part of this.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:30 pm to DByrd2
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UEFA is trying to maintain their own "closed system", so what's wrong with the Super League clubs investing in their own?
It is a free market response.
Here, I don't disagree. I do, however, think it's bad for the game and for fans.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:31 pm to Dr RC
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If Alabama, USC, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida, LSU, Penn State, Texas A&M, OU, and 4 other rotating teams all got together and said they were having a yearly tournament separate from the NCAA season do you actually think it wouldn't severely harm the rest of NCAA football? That would be the de-facto top tier division from then on.
1. Aren't these non-profit entities connected to the university?
2. You're going to have to pay the players at that point - goodbye margins.
3. Everyone else will downsize football and make it a real varsity sport. There is no point in investing in the sport anymore if you aren't going to have a unified top division.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:32 pm to DByrd2
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UEFA is trying to maintain their own "closed system", so what's wrong with the Super League clubs investing in their own?
It is a free market response.
The champions league isn’t a closed system
It’s a competition based on merit not how big your club is
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:33 pm to crazy4lsu
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By making a league where you can’t suffer the consequences of your failures, essentially franchising the league?
Again, what the frick did Tottenham do this decade to be included in a league with fricking Real Madrid? What did Man U do? Or Arsenal? Or Barca?
So you aren't allowed to franchise anything without the permission of existing competing franchises? THAT is closed system.
That second paragraph sounds like you're confusing a free market with a fair one.
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There might be FIFA bylaws that are broken, and hopefully FIFA, UEFA, and the other confederations put up a united front, because this is greed, plain and simple.
If bylaws were broken, I will support whatever punishment is dished out legally.
Greed, on the other hand, is not illegal.
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There isn’t any free market principle at play here, just scheming by a bunch of boomer American retards to protect their investment from their inability to understand the sport.
Seems to me that the Americans who "fail to understand" are making a free market play in reaction to (and to compete with) a closed system.
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Why Kroenke should see any windfall from this rather than the man who built the club, Arsene Wenger, is beyond me. We could again ask these questions of all the clubs. I mean, Barca bought poorly, and wasted the last 6 years of Messi’s career forcing him to play deep to cover for Barca’s inability to buy or develop appropriate talent, and according to this stilted free market logic, we should reward Barca indefinitely for Messi’s utter genius.
You're mixing up things again. Is it fair? Maybe not. I'd even argue no.
Are the clubs involved free to do this and doing it within legal economic constructs? Yes.
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They can of course make arrangements with whoever they see fit,
Ahhh... There we are.
Doesn't mean they aren't assholes.
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Perez is a sterling executive, but none of the rest deserve to be included with the men who built these clubs, in truth.
Irrelevant.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:33 pm to DByrd2
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All the MLS fan channels on Insta are acting like European fans are going to somehow flock to MLS teams because of all this. At least the ones on my feed are
Well they are idiots lol
Europeans can’t stand all the dumb arse rules in MLS
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
LINK
These owners are absolutely delusional.
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Florentino Perez, chairman of The European Super League: “If the players participating in the European Super League are banned from playing the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, we will create our own World Cup tournament. It is not a big deal.”
These owners are absolutely delusional.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Also makes me wonder if these owners really Americanize this league and put in something similar to a salary cap
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:35 pm to dirtytigers
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So in a way I think youll see some money trickle down to lower level sides.
Ehhhh in some aspects maybe
But the real money in the game flows down the pyramid system from the top down
Now the big clubs don’t have to filter down anything
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The champions league isn’t a closed system
Why are they fighting against supposed competition then (despite the Super League saying they run parallel to the UCL)?
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It’s a competition based on merit not how big your club is
Do they make money off of whoever gets into the competition? Does that money make its way back to said clubs in the competition?
How is that any different than what the Super League will be doing? The point of merit is just different.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:36 pm to DByrd2
I really want you to define what UEFA is for me, because it doesn't seem like you know, nor can you carefully designate the difference between a closed system, and one where the participants willfully agree to the rules beforehand.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:38 pm to bkPoseidon
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These owners are absolutely delusional.
Are they really delusional if they can actually pull it off?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:38 pm to DByrd2
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It is a free market response.
This is such a weird argument if I get what you're saying. At the end of the day this is entertainment. The only market you're attracting is eye balls. Marketing dollars and jersey sales and tickets. The "free market" these clubs are competing against is literally e-sports at this point. So the only free market response is the one that generates the most money for the entire sport and keeps people interested. Which means there is literally no system that isn't a free market response. MLS type closed system, promotion relegation, Champions League, Super League, domestic teams sharing revenue, domestic teams not sharing revenue, and literally any other system as long as the players aren't slaves and the consumers are free to not buy ticket. They are literally all the exact same in regards to a "free market response".
Which I don't think you get. Designing a system that is the most robust and healthiest is the goal. Sure, the big 6 might seize a relatively larger share with this Super League to the rest of their English counterparts, but if the consumers value other forms of entertainment more, then voila, 80% of a grape is less than 40% of a watermelon.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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I really want you to define what UEFA is for me, because it doesn't seem like you know, nor can you carefully designate the difference between a closed system, and one where the participants willfully agree to the rules beforehand.
Did the clubs agree specifically not to frick off and form their own league?
It seems like you are trying to hold them to rules, regulations, and laws that don't exist but are rather emotionally-based opinions on fairness of their investment.
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