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Posted on 6/26/16 at 4:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 6/26/16 at 4:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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When players are pushing 23 years old the ship has sailed for the most part, sorry bro you are wrong.
Except for guys like Dempsey, Cameron, Holden, Demerit, Bocabegra, etc who didn't become super stars for the nats until later. You shite all over college soccer but it's helped develop some of our late bloomers.
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They should be in the first team set up for the national team in some way shape or form. Most soccer powers don't give a shite about that tournament. The only reason Neymar is playing this time is bc its at home
Why the frick do you care so much about what other soccer powers do? We aren't Brazil. We aren't France. We aren't Spain. We can't apply their standards as desperately as we would like to right this instant. The Olympics tournament helps our players, period. Stuart Holden started with a strong Olympics tournament. So did Orozco. Charlie Davies got some play at the end of that tournament and impressed. Your whole anti Olympics schtick reeks of this euro centrist bullshite you pull. Again, who cares? It's another opportunity to help our players develop. If you are as big a fan of the USMNT as you act, you should be a fan of these opportunities, regardless of how serious the euros take it.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 4:42 pm to cwil177
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Except for guys like Dempsey, Cameron, Holden, Demerit, Bocabegra, etc who didn't become super stars for the nats until later. You shite all over college soccer but it's helped develop some of our late bloomers.
and guess what we need to get past college soccer b/c in the long run it will hurt US Soccer. Yes we have had players make it through. But in the overall scope of things guys like Clint were still so far behind in their development when they went pro. At 20 years old they need to be either, in the last stages of the youth academy, on loan or playing in the first team. Not in college soccer. There is a reason players from other parts of the world are so much better than our players at that same age.
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Why the frick do you care so much about what other soccer powers do? We aren't Brazil. We aren't France. We aren't Spain. We can't apply their standards as desperately as we would like to right this instant. The Olympics tournament helps our players, period. Stuart Holden started with a strong Olympics tournament. So did Orozco. Charlie Davies got some play at the end of that tournament and impressed. Your whole anti Olympics schtick reeks of this euro centrist bullshite you pull. Again, who cares? It's another opportunity to help our players develop. If you are as big a fan of the USMNT as you act, you should be a fan of these opportunities, regardless of how serious the euros take it.
Get off your fricking high horse and fricking look at the big picture. Other tournaments with countries taking them serious will benefit us much more competition wise.
Olympic soccer is not worth shite. Trotting out a bunch of 22 years olds vs some countries B and C youth squads. If soccer powers don't take it serious then how high is the level of competition?
Our performance in the U-20 WC is much better to gauge the youth than the Olympics.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 4:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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But in the overall scope of things guys like Clint were still so far behind in their development when they went pro. At 20 years old they need to be either, in the last stages of the youth academy, on loan or playing in the first team
What academy should Clint have been in 20 years ago? Please tell me, because none really existed back then. That's why college remains important, because our academy program is still in its infancy.
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Get off your fricking high horse and fricking look at the big picture
Holy shite the board's biggest eurosnob just told me to get off my high horse
The big picture is development opportunities and exposure. An international tournament gives our players opportunities to showcase their talent and potentially earn that move across the pond that will ultimately help their development. How do you not see this? I get your point that the euros don't take it seriously. So it's not the best competition? Who cares? It's an opportunity for our players to get international exposure and attract attention from clubs abroad.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 4:59 pm to cwil177
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What academy should Clint have been in 20 years ago? Please tell me, because none really existed back then. That's why college remains important, because our academy program is still in its infancy.
College soccer was important, now not so much when the best kids are going to overseas academies at 16 or 18. When US coaching finally gets up to standard at the youth level great things will happen. But college soccer during this stage of transition is not going to help American soccer.
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Holy shite the board's biggest eurosnob just told me to get off my high horse
Yep resulting to name calling when you lost an argument. Calling me a Euro snob bc I can see the overall scope on how youth development works.
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The big picture is development opportunities and exposure. An international tournament gives our players opportunities to showcase their talent and potentially earn that move across the pond that will ultimately help their development. How do you not see this? I get your point that the euros don't take it seriously. So it's not the best competition? Who cares? It's an opportunity for our players to get international exposure and attract attention from clubs abroad
What good does showcasing your talent vs inferior competition do? Not just the Euro countries don't take it serious. Most countries in general don't take it serious. If you watch it, for the most part the quality of play is terrible and its just some over 23 player just fricking around on some kids. Youth scouts flock to other tournaments way more.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:06 pm to cwil177
quote:I'd say any halfway decent player that wants to be on the USMNT should turn pro instead of going college. If they are any good, they could get on an MLS, NASL, or USL team.
That's why college remains important, because our academy program is still in its infancy.
We shouldn't get rid of college soccer because there will always be players that just aren't good enough, but it does very little in terms of making players better and the season is only 4 months long.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:08 pm to pvilleguru
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I'd say any halfway decent player that wants to be on the USMNT should turn pro instead of going college. If they are any good, they could get on an MLS, NASL, or USL team.
We shouldn't get rid of college soccer because there will always be players that just aren't good enough, but it does very little in terms of making players better and the season is only 4 months long.
Boom spot on
While these guys have their practices limited and spend time with college class. Kids their same age are considered full on professionals who pretty much stop school at 16 or 18. Their whole day is soccer non stop. Refining their skills while American college guys are in class.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
College soccer will become less relevant as the academy programs develop.
After you told me to get off my fricking high horse? Don't be so sensitive. What makes you think you're so much better at seeing the big picture in development than anyone else in this board? You're not
The bottom line is that you don't think the Olympics have any worth for our players and I think it does because of the exposure it grants them, as well as the experience (even if it's not what you want it to be). That's all.
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Yep resulting to name calling when you lost an argument. Calling me a Euro snob bc I can see the overall scope on how youth development works
After you told me to get off my fricking high horse? Don't be so sensitive. What makes you think you're so much better at seeing the big picture in development than anyone else in this board? You're not
The bottom line is that you don't think the Olympics have any worth for our players and I think it does because of the exposure it grants them, as well as the experience (even if it's not what you want it to be). That's all.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:15 pm to cwil177
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After you told me to get off my fricking high horse? Don't be so sensitive
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Your whole anti Olympics schtick reeks of this euro centrist bullshite you pull.
you fired the first shot , so get off the fricking horse you rode in on
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What makes you think you're so much better at seeing the big picture in development than anyone else in this board? You're not
From perseonal experience playing at high levels as a youth and then seeing what goes on in two different European countries. I have a very good understanding on youth development and more than most.
I'm also a nerd who watches United youth matches and keeps up with the academy.
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The bottom line is that you don't think the Olympics have any worth for our players and I think it does because of the exposure it grants them, as well as the experience (even if it's not what you want it to be). That's all.
Bottom line is you are over selling the tournament. Not making it isn't the end of the world. Playing in the U-17 or U-20 WC. The toloun tourny is much better for exposure and competition for young players.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:19 pm to Tiger Phil
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The problem is that we need players who are better technically
We need players who make better decisions more quickly. The technical requirements of what 95% of players do on a routine basis aren't that high and are within most of the players in our player pool.
All the technique in the world won't save you from playing for the Tampa Bay Rowdies if you can't not do stupid shite.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 5:29 pm to cwil177
I just looked at the Tampa Bay Rowdies (NASL) and Ariona United SC (USL) schedules (just picked two teams at random) and compared it to Stanford's schedule. Tampa Bay plays 33 (give or take one or two) league games. AUSC 30 league games. Stanford plays 20 games (3 of which are exhibitions). College should be avoided at all cost if the player has any potential.
A player like Jordan Morris should have went pro 3 years ago.
A player like Jordan Morris should have went pro 3 years ago.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/26/16 at 6:27 pm to pvilleguru
I agree. But Jordan seems like a guy who doesn't like to go too far outside of his comfort zone, and he found a comfortable situation at Stanford.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:06 pm to joey barton
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All the technique in the world won't save you from playing for the Tampa Bay Rowdies if you can't not do stupid shite.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:35 pm to Sheep
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