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Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:04 pm to
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There is a reason some other clubs ended up trying to change their stance on sending rangers all the way down when they found out how much money they were about to lose when the tv deal was going to be ripped up b/c it has a clause that to get the full amount there must be 4 old firm games.

punctuate that bitch. My eyes are BLEEDING.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:04 pm to
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you guys are not even the original irish club in scotland





Just the most successful one.


Who knew that a team in 1967 would cause the death of a team in 2012?
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 2:06 pm
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:43 pm to
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WarSlamEagle


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This.


So Iniesta had a better season than Messi?
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:58 pm to
Do you not understand football?
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 2:59 pm to
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Do you not understand football?



I'm not the one trying to make a beyond retarded argument.
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:00 pm to
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Do you not understand football?


you're going to have to explain that one.

you are admittedly new to the game, yet off come off as a pretentious know it all.

i'm not even saying i agree with randy, b/c half the time his posts are retarded,

i just am curious about your statement.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 3:01 pm
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
4869 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:04 pm to
I really hate the way they do the pots. Seeding based on past accomplishments in Europe? That's awful. Group D is so much stronger than the rest, it's unbelievable. They need to get a seeding committee or some shite because the current system is awful.
I think we need another thread for the Ronaldo/ Messi/ Iniesta bickering
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:04 pm to
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you are admittedly new to the game, yet off come off as a pretentious know it all.


Douches gonna douche.

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b/c half the time his posts are retarded,


Find one.
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
18083 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:06 pm to
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you're going to have to explain that one.

you are admittedly new to the game, yet off come off as a pretentious know it all.


Because it's a ridiculous stance to say that Iniesta didn't come close to earning the award, Unless you (ETA: you in the general sense, not you as in PTbob) think most goals = most prestige and that's it.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51401 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:08 pm to
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it's a ridiculous stance to say that Iniesta didn't come close to earning the award
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7103 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:08 pm to
Iniesta, imo was EASILY the third best player in that group. His teams did win competitions, however, but that is luck of the draw to a degree.

Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:11 pm to
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Because it's a ridiculous stance to say that Iniesta didn't come close to earning the award,


Dude he is the 3rd best player in the world, I'm not saying he isn't amazing. However, what Messi and Ronaldo did last season is out of this world. Nobody is in touching distance of them right now.

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Unless you (ETA: you in the general sense, not you as in PTbob) think most goals = most prestige and that's it.


When you score well over twice as many as anyone else in Europe while also creating just as many as anyone else (more than Iniesta) where is your argument coming from? You try to discount goals (which is dumb enough to start with) but totally ignore the fact Messi creates more goals and completes more dribbles than anyone else as well. Ask any Barca fan who they would rather have.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:12 pm to
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His teams did win competitions, however, but that is luck of the draw to a degree.


Winning the Euro's is obviously a huge accomplishment. However it's 6 games. No way it can carry more weight than the 50+ games of a league/CL/Cup campaign especially when you consider Ronaldy was one of the best players at the Euros as well.
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7103 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:14 pm to
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Winning the Euro's is obviously a huge accomplishment. However it's 6 games. No way it can carry more weight than the 50+ games of a league/CL/Cup campaign especially when you consider Ronaldy was one of the best players at the Euros as well.


brah, i'm agreeing with you. ronaldo can't help he plays for portugal and iniesta can't help he plays for arguably the best international team ever.

Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
35148 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:20 pm to
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brah, i'm agreeing with you. ronaldo can't help he plays for portugal and iniesta can't help he plays for arguably the best international team ever.


I know, I'm just elaborating on the point.

I know I shouldn't be but I'm genuinely shocked there are actually people who think Iniesta deserved that award over Messi or Ronaldo.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7103 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:22 pm to
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I'm genuinely shocked there are actually people who think Iniesta deserved that award over Messi or Ronaldo.


this.

+1
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
35148 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:25 pm to
Though I'm pretty sure they know they are full of shite they think if they pretend like Iniesta deserved they can act like a bastion of soccer knowledge and throw out the "goals aren't everything" etc... as if they have some deeper understanding of the game. I'm I'll soon be called a "troll" for daring to state Messi/Ronaldo are the best players in the Europe.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
18083 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:30 pm to
Again over sensualising everything I said.

The votes were about even 19 for iniesta and 17 each for the other two, which isn't very hard to believe at all. I'm not saying they suck and wouldn't have deserved it had either won, but unlike you I am stating that any of the 3 could have won and it would still be a fine outcome.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:31 pm to
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So Iniesta had a better season than Messi?

The UEFA award takes Euro into account, so yes. I know Messi can't help where he was born...but UEFA is going to take their biggest tournament into account.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35148 posts
Posted on 8/30/12 at 3:46 pm to
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The UEFA award takes Euro into account, so yes. I know Messi can't help where he was born...but UEFA is going to take their biggest tournament into account.


Ok if you want to go with a technicality, and what about Ronaldo?
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