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re: Youth Soccer Talk
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:34 pm to bless u boys
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:34 pm to bless u boys
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but refs have gone soft.
probably tired of being assaulted by every fat bubba with an overinflated sense of their kids talent level
for 50 bucks a game. want better officiating? stop being a fricking douchebag at your 10 year olds game
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:42 am to elposter
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No chance at what?
A college scholarship, even though college soccer is shite
Let alone a look from an MLS academy
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:22 am to StraightCashHomey21
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A college scholarship, even though college soccer is shite Let alone a look from an MLS academy
Oh well that’s like less than 1% of kids anyway even if playing academy/select.
If you have that kind of talent you still have plenty of time if you are playing rec at U10 to make a HS team and then get a college scholarship. Kid on my son’s U12 academy team just started this year from playing rec (pretty much the whole team has been playing academy together since U9) and he immediately might be the best player on the team. He didn’t miss much by not playing academy as an 8, 9, 10 year old. He will almost certainly be pulled to the club’s MLS next team at U13. Other former “best players” on the team are starting to fall back as their peer’s bodies develop and all of the sudden they aren’t the fastest strongest most coordinated anymore.
This idea that you have to somehow be in the academy/pre-professional pipeline pre-puberty is something that is crazy to me as someone that didn’t grow up playing soccer. It’s a very soccer-centric phenomenon compared to basketball, football, baseball when I was growing up.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:43 am to TCO
The amount of time/money my folks spent on away tournaments for me growing up is absolutely insane
I don't know how they did it
I don't know how they did it
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:06 am to elposter
Yea it’s nuts but that is the structure in this country
It’s why so many Hispanic kids or kids in poor area don’t get looks or proper development
Complete opposite of European or South American set ups where scouts are at all levels of the game around the country
Even though you can get into a big time academy in Europe at like 6 your place isn’t guaranteed. It sucks money is the major obstacle for American kid’s playing the sport
If any of my kids actually do decide it’s the path they want to take seriously,( my middle one is mad about the sport) I’m either going to do my best to get stationed back in Europe for the last part of my career and stay there after my 20 years is done. Or we decided they can go live with Oma in Germany. The kids are there ages we have seen play when we are over there are light years ahead. This is at smaller local neighborhood clubs not even established academies.
It’s why so many Hispanic kids or kids in poor area don’t get looks or proper development
Complete opposite of European or South American set ups where scouts are at all levels of the game around the country
Even though you can get into a big time academy in Europe at like 6 your place isn’t guaranteed. It sucks money is the major obstacle for American kid’s playing the sport
If any of my kids actually do decide it’s the path they want to take seriously,( my middle one is mad about the sport) I’m either going to do my best to get stationed back in Europe for the last part of my career and stay there after my 20 years is done. Or we decided they can go live with Oma in Germany. The kids are there ages we have seen play when we are over there are light years ahead. This is at smaller local neighborhood clubs not even established academies.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:13 am to TCO
The lack of coaching fundamentals of defensive soccer, from Rec to Club. Every coach concentrates on foot skills, passing, shooting, and other skills that are fundamental, but I never see fundamental one on one defending. The focus is on taking on the defender, but not on fixing the defender’s deficiencies, in my experience. Defensive shape, movement, and being physical are about the only things that I see being taught.
Also, Goalkeepers need better coaching. They are mostly ignored by the coaches in team practice and really only get coaching if the club has a dedicated GK coach. Then, it’s usually only once per week with a group of other GKs. A lack of goalkeepers is a problem. They are incredibly hard to find and keep.
If you can’t afford a private coach outside of what the club offers, those GKs get frustrated and either leave the club or leave the sport completely. I’ve seen this firsthand.
My son was a GK for a few years, but now plays in the field.
Also, Goalkeepers need better coaching. They are mostly ignored by the coaches in team practice and really only get coaching if the club has a dedicated GK coach. Then, it’s usually only once per week with a group of other GKs. A lack of goalkeepers is a problem. They are incredibly hard to find and keep.
If you can’t afford a private coach outside of what the club offers, those GKs get frustrated and either leave the club or leave the sport completely. I’ve seen this firsthand.
My son was a GK for a few years, but now plays in the field.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:24 am to WhoDatNC
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The cost of youth/club soccer.
Our club gives “scholarships” to those players who show potential and don’t have the resources, which I think should be adopted by clubs (big ones especially). We’re a growing club that was small when we started, but now it even has semi-pro teams.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:33 am to WhoDatNC
[quote]Not enough "elite" coaches at the younger ages to focus on the development- many clubs gear these coaches towards the older ages which is arse backwards.
Many problems here. Big clubs poach smaller clubs’ coaches (not just players) because they can pay more.
Fewer former players in the U.S. that become coaches. This might change over time as some players age and no longer play, but are willing and eager to be around the game and impart knowledge.
Also, I see lots of foreign coaches who either came here to play college or pro and can’t play anymore because of injuries or some other reason.
My son’s high school coach played at the same high school, played in college, played for a foreign club and the San Jose Earthquakes. He got hurt and wanted to give back. He’s only 30.
My son’s club coach is from Iran and was a political asylum seeker from their revolution in the 1980’s. He played in college here and played pro. His sons played, so he got into coaching. His youngest son was playing pro in Spain, but hurt his knee and is back rehabbing.
Many problems here. Big clubs poach smaller clubs’ coaches (not just players) because they can pay more.
Fewer former players in the U.S. that become coaches. This might change over time as some players age and no longer play, but are willing and eager to be around the game and impart knowledge.
Also, I see lots of foreign coaches who either came here to play college or pro and can’t play anymore because of injuries or some other reason.
My son’s high school coach played at the same high school, played in college, played for a foreign club and the San Jose Earthquakes. He got hurt and wanted to give back. He’s only 30.
My son’s club coach is from Iran and was a political asylum seeker from their revolution in the 1980’s. He played in college here and played pro. His sons played, so he got into coaching. His youngest son was playing pro in Spain, but hurt his knee and is back rehabbing.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:45 am to WhoDatNC
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Not enough soccer education for parents.
Very true. Cable and the internet have helped. Mostly, parents either don’t make the time or think they don’t have the time to educate themselves and get involved. Also, it’s not even a secondary or tertiary priority for them or their children. When my kids were younger, I took coaching classes to help them. I understand that it’s not something that everyone can do, but there’s plenty of opportunities that aren’t costly (like cable or internet).
Also some parents that have money put their kids in select (club) soccer for some kind of bragging rights or something. I’ve seen kids miss practice and sometimes games because they have band practice!
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:29 pm to WinnPtiger
This thread simply reinforces my decision to not coach club this season and focus on high school. Less stress, less weirdo parents I have to deal with, more fun. It'll be good enough to continue my coaching evaluation towards my C too. Win-win
My little nephew whom I coach is in TDP/MLS Next.. never a dull moment with those bunch of parents lol..
My little nephew whom I coach is in TDP/MLS Next.. never a dull moment with those bunch of parents lol..
Posted on 9/30/22 at 12:43 pm to TCO
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Some annoyances
For some reason coaches naming more than one Captain and having multiple armbands on one team has always annoyed me.
I get in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, but it always showed a lack of knowledge to the intricacies to the game to me. Plus is just seems rather oxymoronic.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 1:43 pm to TCO
Officiating, specifically referees being unwilling to card players. Too many kids get unnecessarily injured bc of intentional dirty fouls and they are avoidable if a ref actually takes charge. Instead they are too busy wanting to fuss at parents
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:02 pm to TCO
1st year in travel soccer for my family. Our youngest son plays on a U10 team. It's a large group of boys in the club so it's split b/t an A team and a B team. I am already sensing drama from parents about which team their kid is on. Mine is on the B team and it doesn't bother him one bit. Doesn't bother me or my wife at all either.
He's building lots of confidence and really enjoying himself. Parents' bithching will eventually trickle down to their kid's ear. Why ruin their joy over ego? It's quite sad. One kid already didn't show up at the final game of a tournament because they think he should be on A. Terrible lesson they are teaching him.
He's building lots of confidence and really enjoying himself. Parents' bithching will eventually trickle down to their kid's ear. Why ruin their joy over ego? It's quite sad. One kid already didn't show up at the final game of a tournament because they think he should be on A. Terrible lesson they are teaching him.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:17 pm to elposter
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No chance at what?
Being a high level soccer player.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:20 pm to elposter
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elposter
Everything you said is true if you are an elite elite athlete. We had a group of like 6 girls come up from rec last year and 5 of them are like playing a man down when they get on the field. 1 is raw as hell but is such an amazing athlete she can still contribute just by being everywhere on a 9v9 field.
The point remains, outside of those freak athlete outliers, the difference in rec and academy, even as low as U10, is crazy.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:40 am to RandySavage
We played Slidell U9 today. Their parents were absolutely obnoxious. Then afterwards in the parking lot, I saw several of them get in the car with their kids and lite up a cig.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:32 am to SabiDojo
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Officiating, specifically referees being unwilling to card players.
In a game at the Gulf coast classic yesterday a player from the other team took out my star player from behind with a very dirty tackle, should have at least been a yellow. I thought he blew out my guy's knee.
The referee, a young girl around 19-20 called the foul. The opposing player actually injured himself and stayed on the ground and my player hobbled around. After their coach helped the guy off the field the referee called a drop ball, WTF!
At halftime I politely asked her what made her give it a drop ball? She responded that it was a foul on the other team but she felt sorry for the other player so she decided to call a drop ball. She said I know you don't agree but that is how I feel.
Letting feelings control games instead of rules. When the game was over I went over and thanked her for calling a good game since she refereed it by herself. This was a select U14 game.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:01 pm to elposter
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This idea that you have to somehow be in the academy/pre-professional pipeline pre-puberty is something that is crazy to me as someone that didn’t grow up playing soccer. It’s a very soccer-centric phenomenon compared to basketball, football, baseball when I was growing up.
The idea is usually advanced in the context of, “how does the US compete with other nations?” You have a sport where people benefit significantly from a lot of structured exposure and where children elsewhere are getting a lot structured exposure, so that becomes the model that you strive towards.
Of course, the reality is that for almost all players, they’re never going to be able to reach the highest level irrespective of how much time they put in, and there are a lot of benefits to team sports outside of employment/scholarship opportunities, so it really doesn’t matter.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:12 pm to DownByTheBayou
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My little nephew whom I coach is in TDP/MLS Next.. never a dull moment with those bunch of parents lol..
Those teams are getting massacred this year even worse than last.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:49 pm to CootKilla
I was at the same tournament. 2011 boys. On Sunday, we were waiting for a game to finish. Lots and lots of dirty fouls. It got so bad one of the dads (team was from Baton Rouge) commanded his son to go up to a kid on the other team (from Ocean Springs) and punch him in the face. The other team’s coach didn’t want his kids hurt so he got his team together and left the field. They were winning too.
Again, all of that could have been avoided if the ref would card players. But they don’t.
Again, all of that could have been avoided if the ref would card players. But they don’t.
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