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re: Apple Desktop $24,000+ LOL..seriously Apple?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:04 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:04 pm to CAD703X
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i simply added one from each column as i went down that i could
Which is still being very disingenuous on the information you were trying to provide. The computer itself is only 10k. The processor by itself on Amazon right now is on sale for around $2600, normally $3200. It's not cheap to build yourself basically.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:09 pm to Dam Guide
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Which is still being very disingenuous on the information you were trying to provide.
other than a second monitor, i just selected the 'best' option from each category.
i was honestly surprised.. was thinking i would max out at like $8k and was very surprised when it went over $10k by like the 3rd option i selected.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:13 pm to CAD703X
It's sits at $9678 on the 5th option which is a useless $80 external CD/DVD.
The sixth option is a $1k Monitor.
The seventh option is a $3600 32" 4k Monitor...
Then you have a $70 wireless mouse and $70 wireless keyboard.
Then you start getting into software, warranties, and accessories.
The sixth option is a $1k Monitor.
The seventh option is a $3600 32" 4k Monitor...
Then you have a $70 wireless mouse and $70 wireless keyboard.
Then you start getting into software, warranties, and accessories.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:17 pm to Dam Guide
keyboard & mouse only add around $100 to the price
software adds less than $600
ALL extended support options add $350
thunderbolt optical cable $1,299
the second monitor ($3500) and external raid ($3600) is what gets you to $20k.
software adds less than $600
ALL extended support options add $350
thunderbolt optical cable $1,299
the second monitor ($3500) and external raid ($3600) is what gets you to $20k.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:37 pm to CAD703X
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That Dell starts at $2,000 fwiw so I'm not sure what you added to it.
eta you must have added like 12 monitors and multiple copies of Autocad to come anywhere close to that price
even with that i can't come to that price.
did you add multiple quantities?
Uh no, I didn't add any software costs or external hardware costs. And I didn't even choose the most expensive options for each category either.
Go to the most expensive processor, most expensive dual GPUs, and most expensive memory configuration and you're already at $30K+
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:49 pm to efrad
Just out of curiousity, I went to Amazon and priced out the first 4 options.
Xeon E5 12 core - $2600
64GB (4 x 16GB) Crucial DDR3-1866 - $690
Samsung 840 Evo 1TB - $430
Couldn't really find a good Firepro 6GB equivalent on Amazon. pcpartpicker has the the Nvidia's around $1000 each and a Firepro S9000 for $2353.
Let's just go with two nvidia's...
That's $5720 for just those four addons.
Xeon E5 12 core - $2600
64GB (4 x 16GB) Crucial DDR3-1866 - $690
Samsung 840 Evo 1TB - $430
Couldn't really find a good Firepro 6GB equivalent on Amazon. pcpartpicker has the the Nvidia's around $1000 each and a Firepro S9000 for $2353.
Let's just go with two nvidia's...
That's $5720 for just those four addons.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:01 pm to Dam Guide
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Samsung 840 Evo 1TB - $430
that's a SATA SSD. The storage in the Mac Pro is PCI-e and is faster than SATA speeds, it's obviously worth about $19,000, so there's your difference.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:09 pm to Dam Guide
quote:That's because Apple usually has their graphics cards custom made. Best guess seems to be Firepro W9000, which are $3k each. Apple/AMD either cut some serious cost-cutting corners when designing these cards, or Apple is selling them at a loss to better compete with Windows workstations.
Couldn't really find a good Firepro 6GB equivalent
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:11 pm to efrad
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that's a SATA SSD. The storage in the Mac Pro is PCI-e and is faster than SATA speeds, it's obviously worth about $19,000, so there's your difference.
It's only a $800 add on to the cost from a 256GB. 850 Pro is under $700 right now I think.
It's a $9796 computer before you get to the display.
I was at almost 6k before I got a small motherboard and case and such. So we would probably be in a neighborhood of a $2k-3k difference in price.
If you switch to the Firepro S9000 you will make a gap of over $2k disappear with quickness.
It's a ridiculous computer, but the price differences really aren't that shocking to me if you are buying a over $5000 computer in the first place.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:33 pm to ellunchboxo
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Jesus. That things a beast.
It better be for $24K. It better be able to suck dick too.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:39 pm to Dam Guide
The problem with the Mac is not just the price alone. It's the lack of options which leads to a poorly optimized build at an inflated price. It's not much better on Dell's side either. The professional video cards are arguably a marketing scam, for one (did a separate post on this a while back). The PCIe flash storage jacks up the price ridiculously, as does the CPU upgrade (the upgrade cost is significantly higher than the retail price of the CPU alone). Doesn't matter whether it's Apple or Dell or whatever other vendor is doing workstations, they have the worse cost efficiency than an off-the-shelf gaming PC. Not to mention the Apple one is clearly in need of an update -- so looking for old parts for price comparisons is foolish.
Anyone serious about a workstation of this caliber needs to take a few hours and learn to spec and build. If this workstation is essentially your lifeblood, you want one that is 100% tailored to your intended use. Know the software you're using, all of it, and precisely how it uses your hardware. How many threads can it use? Are there any GPU-accelerated tasks, and what do they do? Can it use more than one GPU at once? Does your software favor any particular instruction sets or GPU architecture? Are you creating virtual machines? How many, and what kind of resources do they need? Are you going to create a ramdisk or otherwise need scratch disk space? At what point will i/o performance no longer be the bottleneck if you chose X CPU and Y GPU? Can you reach the i/o performance threshold with SATA SSDs in simple RAID 0 setup, or M.2? Or do you need PCIe?
None of the brands can really offer that because they keep options limited and simple for assembly and inventory efficiency, and of course are in bed with a short list of manufacturers and have specific marketing agreements. That is the number one reason you see "professional" GPUs as the only option in workstations. They have the same architecture as mainstream cards and are simply a way to sell a false feeling of "support assurance."
There are very few excuses not to learn how to put together a proper workstation. And if you try the faulty comparison of car building/buying, your ignorance will shine through brightly.
That said, let's see how ridiculous I can get with a "generic" workstation on PCPartPicker...
This is an overkill build on all fronts -- all premium components, zero corners cut... including the Titan Z which I only chose for the added RAM. This has over $2000 worth of storage alone totaling 5TB of NAND and including PCIe flash. For the best workstation you can build for your specific use, the price would most likely drop from this point.
How do the Apple and Dell machines compare?
Anyone serious about a workstation of this caliber needs to take a few hours and learn to spec and build. If this workstation is essentially your lifeblood, you want one that is 100% tailored to your intended use. Know the software you're using, all of it, and precisely how it uses your hardware. How many threads can it use? Are there any GPU-accelerated tasks, and what do they do? Can it use more than one GPU at once? Does your software favor any particular instruction sets or GPU architecture? Are you creating virtual machines? How many, and what kind of resources do they need? Are you going to create a ramdisk or otherwise need scratch disk space? At what point will i/o performance no longer be the bottleneck if you chose X CPU and Y GPU? Can you reach the i/o performance threshold with SATA SSDs in simple RAID 0 setup, or M.2? Or do you need PCIe?
None of the brands can really offer that because they keep options limited and simple for assembly and inventory efficiency, and of course are in bed with a short list of manufacturers and have specific marketing agreements. That is the number one reason you see "professional" GPUs as the only option in workstations. They have the same architecture as mainstream cards and are simply a way to sell a false feeling of "support assurance."
There are very few excuses not to learn how to put together a proper workstation. And if you try the faulty comparison of car building/buying, your ignorance will shine through brightly.
That said, let's see how ridiculous I can get with a "generic" workstation on PCPartPicker...
This is an overkill build on all fronts -- all premium components, zero corners cut... including the Titan Z which I only chose for the added RAM. This has over $2000 worth of storage alone totaling 5TB of NAND and including PCIe flash. For the best workstation you can build for your specific use, the price would most likely drop from this point.
How do the Apple and Dell machines compare?
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:55 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Now that is a build.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:18 pm to Dam Guide
I want it now. I just cannot think of anything I do that could benefit from, let alone need, all those cores and all that RAM.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:42 pm to CAD703X
you are including a 24tb external hard drive, a few thousand in monitors, a grand or so in software, a couple of hundred bucks in cables, two different airports, a printer, and a wireless mouse and keyboard, even though you said it ships without a mouse or keyboard.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:46 pm to CAD703X
CAD, just how many times did Steve Jobs take your prom date under the bleachers in the gym and PIIHB?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:47 pm to Dam Guide
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The computer itself is only 10k.
Whew. That will make me sleep better tonight.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:51 pm to GFunk
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CAD, just how many times did Steve Jobs take your prom date under the bleachers in the gym and PIIHB?
i've bought my share of $5,000+ Apple PCs in my life.
Too many in fact.
Its just funny we have a thread going on about a nice full-featured PC tower weighing in at $400 that can be easily expanded..then I go check out Apple and they're trying to sell me a $9,000 computer again like this is 1991.
I do distinctly remember selling Exxon 100 Mac IIfx computers in 1991..oh the comission I made that month
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:38 pm to CAD703X
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CAD703X
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i've bought my share of $5,000+ Apple PCs in my life.
Too many in fact.
Its just funny we have a thread going on about a nice full-featured PC tower weighing in at $400 that can be easily expanded..then I go check out Apple and they're trying to sell me a $9,000 computer again like this is 1991.
I do distinctly remember selling Exxon 100 Mac IIfx computers in 1991..oh the comission I made that month
You didn't answer my question. Did you try to tell everyone she was drinking spiked punch at Prom or what?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:53 pm to GFunk
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Did you try to tell everyone she was drinking spiked punch at Prom or what?
well he did hate on my newton and got it killed..
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:57 pm to Dam Guide
Only 10k for a computer? Is this 1985 again?
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