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bonethug0180
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re: Shough on Terron Armstead’s The Set pod
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/16/26 at 9:56 am to Borntoboogy
Someone who curses doesn't make them trash, white or otherwise. Don't be a simpleton.
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re: Shough on Terron Armstead’s The Set pod
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/16/26 at 7:57 am to jmcwhrter
quote:He says it later, but it's because of his knee. He literally can't go without major surgery on it, and he seems to be at peace with not going through that or the grind any more.
34 years old and considers himself washed.. thats just crazy
You can tell he still has some desire to play, especially with a guy like Shough, but not enough for all that. xD
re: Shough on Terron Armstead’s The Set pod
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/16/26 at 7:54 am to Borntoboogy
quote:Does it hurt him? No, so what does it fricking matter?
The cursing needs to stop. It doesn't help him one bit.
re: Dante Moore returning to Oregon; not entering NFL Draft
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/15/26 at 10:16 am to Marrero
quote:As Saints fans, we KNOW this isn't true. The QB has to have some amount of talent. Shall we grab the list of failed QBs under Payton?
SEAN PAYTON you don’t get to do that any young qb would be great with him
Not jumping into any other part of whatever argument is going on, but I saw this in bold and laughed. xD
re: We are EXTREMELY fortunate
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/15/26 at 10:02 am to Hester Carries
Basically every single ST poster amalgamated.
re: 2025 recap - INT-worthy and uncatchable throws
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/15/26 at 8:14 am to Delusional
I'd be curious to see a more zoomed in version with the 2 extremes removed.
re: Saints drafts by Value Added to team under Loomis:
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/15/26 at 8:07 am to mindbreaker
AV is the players approximate value to the team, so the higher the better.
These numbers for a given draft year is all players' total AV for their career with the Saints only. For instance Colston got a 10 in 2006, 11 in 2007, 7, 11, 9, 11, 9, 9, 8, and 4 for a total career AV of 89, all of which was with the Saints. You go through each player from the draft and do the same and add all of them together for the total AV of that draft to that team.
Marques Colston Stats
His AV is in the first table all the way to the right.
Now of course this process is far from precise on a few ends.
First, AV is not a scientific measurement. It is sort of like a more stat based PFF scoring system where you take out the play to play grading and judge them on what they produced.
Second, a traded draft pick still yields AV in other ways, whether that is trading for vets, other draft picks, or a combination of things. It's extremely hard to untangle that web though, so a draft's true total AV is very hard to place.
For instance, we traded a 3rd and a 4th for Vilma, and he produced a total of 33 AV for us. One of those picks was in 2008 and one in 2009 though, so how do you untangle where to add that AV (weighted by round of each pick maybe)?
Third is if you get a comp pick for a player that leaves in FA, now you can potentially get more AV in return for that player, so how do you track that? Do you add it on to the original pick's draft, the comp pick's draft, split it, etc.?
Fourth is the case of a player leaving and returning. Do you add his new AV to the draft? Did you trade to get him back, get a comp pick when he originally left, etc?
5th is how to count a traded pick for a pick in another draft, like with Kamara. Do you add to one or the other or do a split again?
These things and others make it extremely hard to find the true AV of a draft. Just because on the surface a draft looks like a bust, it may have yielded pro bowlers/all pros in other ways (like getting Kamara or Vilma).
The simple view in the OP is still very good to look at and get a gage though.
These numbers for a given draft year is all players' total AV for their career with the Saints only. For instance Colston got a 10 in 2006, 11 in 2007, 7, 11, 9, 11, 9, 9, 8, and 4 for a total career AV of 89, all of which was with the Saints. You go through each player from the draft and do the same and add all of them together for the total AV of that draft to that team.
Marques Colston Stats
His AV is in the first table all the way to the right.
Now of course this process is far from precise on a few ends.
First, AV is not a scientific measurement. It is sort of like a more stat based PFF scoring system where you take out the play to play grading and judge them on what they produced.
Second, a traded draft pick still yields AV in other ways, whether that is trading for vets, other draft picks, or a combination of things. It's extremely hard to untangle that web though, so a draft's true total AV is very hard to place.
For instance, we traded a 3rd and a 4th for Vilma, and he produced a total of 33 AV for us. One of those picks was in 2008 and one in 2009 though, so how do you untangle where to add that AV (weighted by round of each pick maybe)?
Third is if you get a comp pick for a player that leaves in FA, now you can potentially get more AV in return for that player, so how do you track that? Do you add it on to the original pick's draft, the comp pick's draft, split it, etc.?
Fourth is the case of a player leaving and returning. Do you add his new AV to the draft? Did you trade to get him back, get a comp pick when he originally left, etc?
5th is how to count a traded pick for a pick in another draft, like with Kamara. Do you add to one or the other or do a split again?
These things and others make it extremely hard to find the true AV of a draft. Just because on the surface a draft looks like a bust, it may have yielded pro bowlers/all pros in other ways (like getting Kamara or Vilma).
The simple view in the OP is still very good to look at and get a gage though.
re: Brian Breese - 5th year option.
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:33 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:I don't disagree with why you try to keep him, but $13 mil is an overpay for a 2nd (or 3rd?) tier interior dlineman. If you put him on that his agent will latch on and demand that as his floor for his next contract.
13mil? You claim that option. Has he been dominant? No, but he has shown flashes of being great. That is a low cost for a player that can turn it on and become the dominant player he can be. Consistency is his biggest issue.
I will admit I am a bit biased, because he is such a high character guy with an heartbreaking past. I badly want to see him succeed, and I want that to happen with us and not another team
Instead you sign him long term this offseason before you even need to decide on the 5th year, likely in the $8-10 mil per range. This position is one of the cheapest in the league (and luckily also very deep in FA this year so we can go get another guy as well), so it's one that very often doesn't have their 5th year option picked up unless they are tier 1.
This also puts you at likely $13 mil or less over those 1st 2 years on the new deal, which means if he doesn't work out by 2028, you can cut him in 2029 and potentially have saved money vs only having him through 2027 for the same price. So an extra year if you do a long term deal this offseason and maybe save money vs picking up the option.
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:24 pm to goatmilker
quote:Only 2 GMs safer than Loomis are Jerry Jones and Duke Tobin (technically just the Director of Player Personnel; the Bengals don't have a GM). Those 2 have been head of that aspect since 1989 and 1999 respectively.
He must be the safest guy or damn close in the NFL CEO world
re: Saints drafts by Value Added to team under Loomis:
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:11 pm to ned nederlander
2019 wasn't really a whiff, more so just a lack of picks. 2018 and 2020, yeah those sucked majorly.
re: Saints drafts by Value Added to team under Loomis:
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:04 pm to Snipe
quote:The op isn't judging 2025 after 1 season. This is just the AV of the players, which will continue to go up (hopefully) as long as the players play for us.
Judging a draft class after 1 season is kinda ridiculous. Everyone knows this.
What this is showing is 2025 is already as good (2012) or better (2014) than 2 of the drafts after just 1 year, and is almost better than another (2018; not counting 2023 and 2024 since those are still accumulating AV as well).
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 8:56 pm to S
quote:Your daily reminder Loomis was against firing DA IN SEASON.
Your daily reminder Loomis was against firing DA
But I was against hiring him in the first place and fully agreed with firing him asap. So yeah he was an idiot for hiring and sticking with DA, but at the end of the day it's about correcting your mistakes, which he has.
re: Olave perspective related to contract
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 1:51 pm to eddieray
That is the floor of what he will get, judging by all the players around him and when they signed their contracts. Might be up to $138 mil if 4 years. I would be shocked if he got more or less than those 2 extremes.
re: Olave perspective related to contract
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 1:39 pm to Burt Macklin
quote:As any smart player would do when risking earning double his current salary over multiple years, he will hold out if not signed long term. It would be absolutely idiotic for him to play on the 5th year.
I say make him play out the 5th year option next year and use the franchise tag after that if needed to negotiate a longer term deal.
re: Olave perspective related to contract
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 1:38 pm to Proximo
quote:This is the remaining prorated signing bonus they had already been paid, which as the term suggests is the money the player gets just for signing the contract and is not obligated to give any of it back.
I don't think that's true? We’re still eating Ram’s (and Carr's - shoulder) dead cap even though he retired due to his knee condition
What came off the cap was any guaranteed portions of the base salary, as well as all the non guaranteed money remaining (and of course any unearned money like roster bonuses and such).
That will be why it will be hard to find the balance between upfront money in the signing bonus vs splitting base salary into more per game roster bonus money. The more you ask him to take in roster bonuses, the more he will want in signing bonus. But on the flipside if he does retire, that means all of the salary/roster bonus money will come back to us in the years he won't play.
So we need to decide if he is a retire risk or not, and how much we think he year to year health could dip (or not).
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 12:22 pm to goatmilker
I don't disagree, but like you said he hires/fires the staff who puts in the most work on it and the coaching staff, so even if you don't credit/fault Loomis directly for the drafts, he still has a hand in it.
I don't believe he is unattached to the evaluations and such, and does have input during the drafts (from everything I've heard it was always a team effort when making the choices), but no I don't believe he is doing the evaluations himself, so he can only go off of the staff he hired to do that job.
I don't believe he is unattached to the evaluations and such, and does have input during the drafts (from everything I've heard it was always a team effort when making the choices), but no I don't believe he is doing the evaluations himself, so he can only go off of the staff he hired to do that job.
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 10:31 am to saintsfan92612
Yes! xD
re: Olave perspective related to contract
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 10:02 am to St Augustine
The easiest thing to do would be to give him per game bonuses in the years past the first one, but you have to give him a big enough signing bonus and guarantees to offset switching base salary for per game bonuses.
Just need to find the right balance that will leave us cap flexible but still have Olave agree to terms.
Just need to find the right balance that will leave us cap flexible but still have Olave agree to terms.
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:53 am to drizztiger
quote:This is where some reports are conflicting, and we get into the whole smokescreen thing. If you want someone THAT bad, why advertise it in such a way. If you aren't on the clock yet, why are you calling someone you want to pick.
For some reason I’m remembering Payton really wanted him and did the most Payton thing ever and told everyone that would listen.
Either Payton was extremely smart or extremely stupid about the whole thing. There is no middle ground.
Also, yeah you can do all the homework on these guys you want, but there is an infinite number of outside factors that come into play that will help a pick be more or less successful, starting with the team that drafts them, the coaching staff, other players on the team, etc before even getting into the off field stuff.
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:43 am to St Augustine
quote:We traded a 2018 2nd for a 2017 3rd. Not really "up", but yeah that is why people lost their shite.
Pretty sure we traded up.
re: 2025 NFL Rookie Class Rankings
Posted by bonethug0180 on 1/14/26 at 9:42 am to drizztiger
I believe they did jump us, but there was conflicting info out there about circumstances behind things.
But I was extremely grateful we didn't end up with him, whether we wanted him or not. People truly didn't understand how bad his off field was, nor how dangerous to his own health his style of play was. One way or another I said he wouldn't even last 3 years.
But I was extremely grateful we didn't end up with him, whether we wanted him or not. People truly didn't understand how bad his off field was, nor how dangerous to his own health his style of play was. One way or another I said he wouldn't even last 3 years.
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